RonD1120

Holy Spirit inspired word recorded by men. I'm good with that. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

If you want to know why a forest is dying, you have to look at the trees. You will also always have a limited understanding of any forest you see... I know why the forest is dying. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

When I was still working in the substance use disorder treatment field, around 2006-07, a representative of the moderation theory appeared on local TV trying to sell the program. My colleagues and I agreed that he appeared very shaky in his recovery and not a good spokesman. We never accepted moderation for any alcoholic because the results are generally not successful. Later I saw a TV program documenting her rise and fall with alcohol. That was the last mention of a moderation program that any of us was ever aware of. AA/NA the program works if you work it. Without a rigorously honest try you are guaranteed to fail. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Some years back a lady from the Seattle area, who was an alcoholic, developed a moderation recovery program. Unfortunately, the program lost support when she relapsed and committed DUI homicide. You left out a pretty important piece of information. She quit moderation management for AA, and after 2 months of AA she committed the DUI homicide. Pesky facts.[/quote Not pesky at all. Your statement changes nothing of what I said. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

I agree and I am guilty. I tend to retaliate in kind. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Some years back a lady from the Seattle area, who was an alcoholic, developed a moderation recovery program. Unfortunately, the program lost support when she relapsed and committed DUI homicide. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

AA/NA are self-contained programs of recovery. If you want to use them then do so. If not, no problem, it is the choice of the individual. If your other path does not work for you then come back or try AA/NA. All that is required is a desire to remain sober through abstinence. There is no prejudice. Not true, the force is rampant and covert, i.e. you don't 'have' to do AA but if not we'll take your kids, put you in jail or take your livelihood etc... So ya they don't HAVE to do it but it's still force, even a fool could understand that. I am not sure what you are referring to specifically. However, it is the law that imposes sanctions not AA/NA. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

AA/NA are self-contained programs of recovery. If you want to use them then do so. If not, no problem, it is the choice of the individual. If your other path does not work for you then come back or try AA/NA. All that is required is a desire to remain sober through abstinence. There is no prejudice. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

I think that is a very honest description. I'm also glad you turned your life around by whatever means... Chances are we wouldn't have this discussion if it was otherwise. I think thats oversimplifying the issue... Thank you for the compliment as well. Simplification is a basic principle in the recovery process. It's called the KISS principle. Keep It Simple Stupid In general I deal with concepts not details. In other words, I see forests and I'm not too concerned with the trees. The exception is when I am in a 1:1 counseling session. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Isn't one part of the whole process accepting that you have no power over your own addiction? Don't get me wrong I'm trying to understand the rational. I admitted I was powerless over alcohol. That is a different concept from blaming outside factors for the "cause" of my drinking. In truth, I drank because I wanted to get high. Later I became addicted to alcohol. The thinking of half of this country is along the lines that it is the government's responsibility to take care of us because problems are some other person's fault, liberal. I do not, conservative. I for one, congratulate you for turning your life around and becoming a productive human being willing to help others change their life. Whatever path you needed to take to get there worked for you. That's all that's important. Only the very small minded could not see your change as positive. Thank you, sir. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Isn't one part of the whole process accepting that you have no power over your own addiction? Don't get me wrong I'm trying to understand the rational. I admitted I was powerless over alcohol. That is a different concept from blaming outside factors for the "cause" of my drinking. In truth, I drank because I wanted to get high. Later I became addicted to alcohol. The thinking of half of this country is along the lines that it is the government's responsibility to take care of us because problems are some other person's fault, liberal. I do not, conservative. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

This is really ironic coming from somebody who beat addiction with the help of a higher power... Not so, I accepted personal responsibility then sought help. I stopped blaming my parents, my wife, my boss and the asshole Vietnam War protesters. I learned how to live life on life's terms. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

No, not any more. In the beginning I was angered by the disrespect but now I find them amusing. Greater is He that is within me then he that is in world, as the Scripture states. I hold the winning ticket. Yeah, well, I think those who don't like the stereotyping of Libtards and RWC's (I still don't know what that means) might want to expand their thinking a little as quite a few have been polarized on other topics such as religion, guns etc. Amen. In psychology there is a diagnostic term, projection. Basically, it means that an individual is not capable of accepting personal responsibility for his emotions, social status, survivability, etc., and projects the cause of hisr circumstance outward and blames a person(s), society, etc. In other words, they are not able to live life on life's term. At that is how BHO got elected president of the United States, twice. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Ah, that's an easy one. Because it wasn't. As a paraphrase of Buddy Holly, everyday it's a gettin' closer. Goin' faster than a roller coaster. True love. When you learn to read the Bible you will find it is the greatest love letter ever written. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

No, not any more. In the beginning I was angered by the disrespect but now I find them amusing. Greater is He that is within me then he that is in world, as the Scripture states. I hold the winning ticket. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Good point. Some of my personal favorite alternatives: Brethren and Accusers of the Brethren Us and Them Allies and Enemies Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Is it really? http://www.thegodarticle.com/7/post/2011/10/clobbering-biblical-gay-bashing.html Interesting article, it just shows the amount of effort folks will put into justifying their own personal sin. If a homosexual or lesbian couple took a copy of this article to my pastor along with a marriage license and asked him to marry them the answer would be no. That is a decision based on the governing board of directors of the denomination, all of whom are ordained and students of the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts. These are the last days. What is happening in America and the Mideast clearly indicate that Biblical prophecy is unfolding at a rapid rate. We know where we stand and we are preparing, at least psychologically, to go underground. It is happening in many countries. It will happen here. Prepare for SHTF. If you are not concerned about you soul you should at least be concerned for your survival. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

which does absolutely nothing to prove exclusivity in anyone's mind but your own or that of those who share basically the same subset of faith as yours. This really is fundamental. Until you've tried to live your life as a devout Muslim, Jew, Hindu, etc. (and not just using the dysfunctional hedonism of your youth as a comparitor), you've really got no basis of comparison to say: devout Christianity is not just a great way, it's the ONLY way. Sure I can, the Bible tells me so. Have a great day. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

But every religion says that, Ron: "Ours is the ONLY way." Just once I'd like to hear some religion say, "Ours is a good way; although the other religions' ways are good, too." OK, that's the Unitarians, but you get the point. Experience proves the claim. Associate with those who have had the experience and not those who do not believe the experience can be true. Nope - Evidence proves the claim. Every religion on earth has those who have "had the experience" which is in fact evidence of just the opposite. How so? I know exactly when I was saved, 16 Mar 81 at Mono Lake in California. Others have similar testimonies. It establishes our common bond and basis for fellowship. It is a good thing. I want to share "the good thing." Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

But every religion says that, Ron: "Ours is the ONLY way." Just once I'd like to hear some religion say, "Ours is a good way; although the other religions' ways are good, too." OK, that's the Unitarians, but you get the point. Experience proves the claim. Associate with those who have had the experience and not those who do not believe the experience can be true. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

No worries, it is all part of the SC game. For the record I don't see you as an idiot. Me on the other hand, well, that is why I'm reading the book. Within the first couple of pages I found out why Winsor took exception to me referring to the Bible as Old and New Testament. Such a reference is offensive to Jews. I never knew or understood that prior to exploring this work. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

There is no defense for contempt prior to investigation. All you need to know is John 3:16. Start from that point and build on it. We are all sinners and fall short. Jesus Christ is the only path for overcoming the deficit which results in spiritual death. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Bible Scripture. Old testament. And New Testament How about all the stuff in the bible about how to treat slaves? How about all the stuff in the bible about how to sell your daughter into slavery? How about the stuff in the bible about the top "christian" dudes that have hundreds of wives? How about all the stuff in the bible about no fish on Fridays, issues with menstruating women, etc, etc etc. There is a load of crap in the bible that "christians" conveniently forget is there, or choose to ignore, while holding firmly to those parts that support whatever the latest issue that "Christians" are pissy about. The complete lack of moral consistency from "Christians" is very well established. You are right up there in that category. How is that actively practicing "Socialism" working for you? Have you stopped taking Social Security payments and using Medicare for health care? You profess to despise "socialism", while gleefully partaking of the most socialistic programs the US Government has to offer. Man up and stick to your principles, or STFU about the evils of something you use and appreciate. Whoosh! The Complete Idiot's Guide To The Bible http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Idiots-Guide-Edition-ebook/dp/B0085IW534 Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Like I am really suppose to believe that you are upset with their opinions. It seems your only interest is in finding straw men to tear down. What makes you so self righteous in deciding what is right and wrong? ... Self-appointed SC judge and quasi-moderator Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

1. Roman Catholic practice and tradition, not Protestant. 2. The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. Actually, Sunday is the first day of the working week. 3. Do you suppose that the BC and the AD Jews had a right wing agenda? Interesting concept, however, I think it had more to do with fornication which spreads disease. STD's could wipe out whole communities. I guess they still could. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.