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Yes, the nation has 55K people, but what was the sample group they took of that country? Did they measure all 55K..... I am just happy the US isn't the fattest. Not that we don't have a weight issue. But like someone else said, it is a society issue..... Less physical work, more sitting behind a desk and working 40-60hrs/wk .... ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

QUESTION Doesn't Iran have a SHIT LOAD of OIL????? Why does it need nuclear power? I don't think it is because they want to protect the environment. They could use their own oil for energy!!!! THere's a bright idea!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I am pretty sure I heard the other day that John Kerry received the most favorable reporting by news agencies of any Presidential Canidate ever. So, if the coverage was balanced, one could assume he would have done even worse.... How come he hasn't talked about that???? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

A scandle or 2????? What about 18 trillion resolutions in Iraq that were never enforced over a 12 year time period???? Look, the UN's word on enforcement isn't that good!!!! I like the idea in principal Bill, but I don't think it will work! They can have the CANDU reactors and still be researching other means on the side. Shit.... that is what NK was doing behind our back!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

So can government. Paraphrased Thomas Jefferson quote: If given the choice between government without newspapers, or newspapers without government, I'll take the latter. Yes I know..... That is why my post said "Media too can.." The "too" meant also.... so, the government was the other party I was refering to. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Monica was no victim. She was a consenting adult, one who willingly entered into an affair. I agree she was consenting, but knowing Mr. Clinton, it is concivable she was manipulated and pursueded by him. She openly says he promised her things such as money and gifts.... She also said she truely loved him and thaought he felt the same way... He used her, and she was hurt.... But hey. Tha't they way love goes!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

In many cases yes it can help. However, media, too can be corrupt and biased. So one must be careful on what wisdom we buy!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Are you using that as an example of justifiable actions by the gov't? I wasn't around, so I don't remember it, but I've read about it. And I've met someone who was in one of those camps. It is, in fact, a perfect example of why we should be even more vigilant at making sure our gov't doesn't decide to start arbitrarily arresting and detaining US citizens as they did then. No, not as justifactation, but the statement was made that our country is doing really evil things. Not that i think what is going on is good or perfect, but we have done horrible things in the past, and I don't think what is going on now is as bad. If anything, due to the media coverage, acts of torture and mistreatment by US troops is probably less than in the past. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

In response, our leaders have decided to change: 1) The American way of life 2) The American way of business 3) The American ideas of war and torture. The American was still standing after 9/11. It is our government that is shaking our very foundations... The same could be said after Pearl Harbor was bombed and we went into WWII. Maybe you don't remember the stroies of Japaneese being put in internment camps, or us companies being banned from using ruber, or how US companies suffered becasue so many men had gone to fight the war and women were forced into the workplace. I question #3 though. You can't be that naive to believe that things worse than Abu Graib didn't happen in Korea, or Nam, or During WWII. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I agree with you on possible tactics, however, a "dirty bomb is extremely inefficient. The public is not aware of that however, and the media makes it out like it would a 20mega ton nuke going off. The truth is directly outside of the blast radius of a dirty bomb, it is highly unlikely anyone would die or even become sick from the nuclear fallout. My company and I were recently tasked by homeland security to do an Urban Canyon study of plume distributions in NYC for chem, bio or dirty bomb.... So far the models hint at nothing "Significant". Example of tolerance to nuclear material and their actual spread. A full medical body scan is the equivilent radiological dosage as being 1.5 statute miles from ground zero at hiroshima. How far do you suppose the fallout from a relatively small "Dirty Bomb" will travel in a concentrated form? Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I think is Veruca Salt from Willy Wonka ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

How do we know that is even possible? What's to say the insurgency won't grow? How do we develop a stronger military if no one is willing to fight their countrymen? PK, we don't. But if we keep our faith in the Iraqi people and show them we do want to help, and show them that we will do what it takes, they should begin to believe we are for real. The Iraqi police have been a dissapointment. That is an understatement. However, the military is showing promise. If we can get the military force to be a success over the next year or two, then we have solved one very major issue. And that is a good step in the right direction!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I think with the US in Iraq and Afganastan, AQ's attention will be in other places for a little while. The organization is reported to be less, and their means of communication has been somewhat happered. I too hope nothing happens. If something does, I do not suspect it will be on the scale of 9/11. That type of attack given AQ's current situation seems quite difficult. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

wow.... I guess I am loosing respect for you too. What do you know about what Aggiedave has seen or where he has been? What do you know about his life and the things that have happened to him? Or, what does Kallend know for that matter? Kallends statement was arrogant, and ignorant. It implied no ones life in College Station TX could compare to some ones in Chitown.... It was an asinine statement, no way around it. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

The goals are to weed out as many of the insurgency as possible, allow elections to happen, and develop a stronger military for the iraqi government, so at some point in the future, they will not NEED US military support. As far as the Fulluja article you posted. I can put 5 or 6 on here from news agencies which even you would say are reliable :-) that back up my story. BTW- Dennis MIll had 2 Spec Ops on the other night who were in Falluja. Their tactics.... they grew beards dressed as civilians, and looked the part. The walked the streets gathering intel and finding enemy houses and radiod the info back to US forces. A tactic that worked incredibly well in their opinion. Look at the casualty numbers in Falluja on both sides and tell me we lost or are loosing the battle. We are now screening residents of the city and letting them back in to some areas. It is now a shitload cleaner than it was 2-3 weeks ago. We have put many insurgents on the run and we will continue to hunt for them. The game isn't over, but we are doing a lot better at urban warfare than we anticipated. The BBC did an excellent piece on it last night. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Good post, and yes long. However I still disagree with a lot of it. First off, THe governments job is to keep us safe. It doesn't mean that they can stop any threat, but it does mean what there is a significant threat, it is their job to thwart it. About the OFF program. You are right and wrong. Yes, not everyone KNEW something was up, but most of the world suspected it. THe numbers were crunched, and SH's money had to be coming from somewhere. At the very least we knew aid money for food and medicine were going straight into his pockets, and the OFF program seemed to have some big leaks in it. ON WMDs. Quantity wasn't the issue. Quality, an intent on distribution, and a means to deliver were. The intent was there, and intel hinted at meetings in Iraq and Germany and other countries which lead to the thinking that SH was looking to move product. Now, the Itel was vauge at best in that regard, but we are dealing with a guy looking to hurt us. As you know one capable Nuke is as bad as 10, and the same could be said about Chem or Bio weapons. After the 93 bombing of the WTC, we didn't do too much to prevent attacks. We were not proactive in stopping threats. Then came 9/11/01. Many in the US said realized sitting back and waiting was a good plan. Some agree, some disagree. The world DID change in 2001, because the US began a policy of premtive strikes in instances of threats. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

You just lost a lot of respect from me with that comment. Pretty ignorant and elitist thing to say!!! The same type of attitude is what lost your party the election. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

WE stay the course.... There are differences though. One major difference is the terrain. Thankfully most of Iraq is quite desolate with few places to hide. The americans however are doing a lot better in Urban warfare than we anticipated and the insurgence anticipated. Falluga(AP?) I think was a lot more successful than we thought it would be. It will not be easy, but we did lean from the mistakes of Nam, and training has been modified for that very reason. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

That is a silly example. There are a lot more drivers than gun toting cowboys. But no! I do not find the level of auto fatalities acceptable. And I am MADD! I do something about it. All these issues you bring up in comparison are valid. But they also have concerned folks speaking out. Do you realize that the push and pull on any issue is necessary to keep things in balance. I don't necessarily want to take "your" gun away, but I do want to keep "you" in check. There are exretemes on both sides of each fence. So if one side stops pushing, the fence will fall over. Some folks call me middle of the road. That might be perceived as wishy washy. But if I beleive in anything, I believe in balance. I want the option to own a gun if I feel I need one. (I have lived in the country where we had to carry a gun to keep the coyotes away from our animals.) But I have no problem REASONABLE limitations. Do the math by percentage..... There are a lot more gun owners out there than you might think!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Wendy, let's pretend for a minute that the intel was right. Let's pretend there was an abundence of WMD. Then taking into consideration the things that SH was known to do such as paying for suicide bombers in Isreal. We know SH was an enabler for corruption and tourture and evil in the middle east. Would you still have sat back and done nothing. Knowing that the Oil-for-food program was a scam? Knowing the sactions on him by the UN were being circomevented? Knowing he still wanted to cause harm to the US if he could? Do not take offense... But some people, and I am including you in this statement, don't realize that things changed on Sept 11th, 2001. We needed to change our tactics on combating evil and terrorism world wide. Again, SH was an enabler, and his removeal does a few things. 1) if there had been WMD like the Intel suggested, it would have taken them out of his hand. 2)It gives democracy a chance in a part of the world that normally wouldn't have that chance. 3) In the long run our position in the region helps to keep the US safer than it would if we were not in the region. 4) enables us with a lot better intel than we had pre 9/11 by allowing us to infiltrate into the middle eastern countries easier. The major job of the US Gov is to keep us safe. And, int the opinion of the administration, that is exactly what they are doing. I happen to agree with them, you don't. It is really just a difference of opinion. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Holy Crap..... someone touched a nerve!!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

If you can, you should watch it.... It will give you an intersting view into Bill's mind. A brief synopsis. The interview is going fine, normal.. howeever you want to put it. Then Jennings told him(Clinton) he was ranked 41st on a list of Past presidents when it comes to Morallity. 41st, even lower than Nixon, Jennings says. Then Bill gets VERY defensive... Saying the American people are wrong, they are just wrong. He tells Jennings, "You better not go there" after Peter Jennings said "It obviously affects you and hurts you". Clinton then begins yelling at Jennings and NBC saying it is their fault... That NBC is tha cause of everything related to the Lewinski Scandle.... Never does bill clinton take any blame.... It is always everyone else. Anyway, watch it. The whole thing. You will see his extream defensiveness and some of his true character come out. He unfortunately made himself look really bad, and really selfish. This backs up the interview he had in England about a year ago, where he did the same type of thing. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

That is true... many people do have heart attacks and are not overweight, however, your statement that you have never been hurt by someone else being overweight, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I have never been hurt by a gun.... See, your example is bad. They are simply pointing out that someone elses obesity can hurt you and or your family. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

PK, BTW- did you see the Jennings interview? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

About Whitewater.....how did this relate? Irrelevant to my post. I said I may or may not agree with the investigation of Monica, just as much as I may or may not agree with the investigation of WW. I am leaving my opinions out on that/those topics, because they are not really related to my overall point on his selfishness. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty