brenthutch

“Remember, we are talking about global warming, not global warmer. If the black line is not on top than it is bon appetit for the reality denying warmists.”

No my point is that the older climate models overstated the climates sensitivity to CO2. Thirty years on, we can compare actual observation to what they predicted and see that they fail. Apparently the new and improved models fail even more miserably.

"For nearly 40 years, the massive computer models used to simulate global climate have delivered a fairly consistent picture of how fast human carbon emissions might warm the world. But a host of global climate models developed for the United Nations’s next major assessment of global warming, due in 2021, are now showing a puzzling but undeniable trend. They are running hotter than they have in the past. Soon the world could be, too. In earlier models, doubling atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) over preindustrial levels led models to predict somewhere between 2°C and 4.5°C of warming once the planet came into balance. But in at least eight of the next-generation models, produced by leading centers in the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, and France, that “equilibrium climate sensitivity” has come in at 5°C or warmer. Modelers are struggling to identify which of their refinements explain this heightened sensitivity before the next assessment from the United Nations’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). But the trend “is definitely real. There’s no question,” says Reto Knutti, a climate scientist at ETH Zurich in Switzerland. “Is that realistic or not? At this point, we don’t know.”" The new and improved climate models are even worse than the old ones apparently.

No I would say CO2 is a relevant driver of CO2 and that's about it.

No, just pointing out the obvious, that CO2 is not much of a driver of climate and that breathless claims of record hot years (by a few hundredths of a degree) are pointless.

From NOAA's website "The global land and ocean surface temperature for May 2019 was 0.85°C (1.53°F) above the 20th century average and the fourth highest May temperature departure from average since global records began in 1880. Mays 2016 (+0.93°C / +1.67°F), 2015 (+0.89°C / +1.60°F), and 2017 (+0.87°C / +1.57°F) were warmer."

DINNER IS SERVED! Global temps for May are COOLER than in 2015, 2016 and 2017. Yes folks its true! Despite gigatons of additional CO2 and a rebranding from "climate change" to "climate emergency" the planet's temperature stubbornly refuses to climb up that ol' hockey stick. Bon Appetit! PS Sorry for the delay but I had to wait until NOAA published its data.

Wake me up when heat kills more than cold.

Irony score 10/10

Sorry to be Captain Buzz Kill, but GLOBALLY, coal production and usage is rising. Renewables just can’t keep pace.

Bingo? Now that is a witty rejoinder.

It’s not about winning or losing, it is about reality vs fantasy. Yes temperatures have risen, slightly. Is that because of CO2? There is no historical precedent to support that notion. Has that mild rise in temperature had a negative impact? Thus far, no. Is there any indication that it will in the future? No. Is there any realistic policy prescription that would have a meaningful impact? No. If this were just some esoteric discussion on radiative forcing that would be fine but when it crosses over into policy, that is where I have a problem. We are literally wasting billions on climate change nonsense, that will have exactly ZERO impact on global climate. It seems that few people on this forum have a grasp of the concept of opportunity cost.

Just as I suspected, after a flurry of sniping from the peanut gallery....crickets

It’s a good thing all of that water that is liberated from the ice is being taken up by the biosphere. A bit more warmth, more water and more CO2, is a recipe for life. Deserts shrinking....food production growing. Where is the downside? (Real downside, not in your imagination)

An iceberg

Melting sea ice doesn’t rise sea levels

Nothingburger. What is the downside of a few hundredths of a degree of warming? Certainly no cause for alarm.

I guess you have to attack the messenger if you can’t handle the message. The number are the numbers guys.

Yes you should be. https://www.c3headlines.com/predictionsforecasts/

Remember, we are talking about global warming, not global warmer. If the black line is not on top than it is bon appetit for the reality denying warmists.

In a few days NOAA will publish the global temperature. I am breaking out my sous vide machine to prepare the crow that I will be serving.

Was on water rationing, was..... now thanks to global warming, your reservoirs are brimming and your snowpack is at record levels. So yes my math works. As I have said many times, the impact of mankind on the climate has run the gamut from benign to beneficial.

The odds of being killed in a mass shooting are about one in 110,000 (about the same as being killed by a dog) which is much greater than the odds of your life being negatively impacted by man made climate change. So... you will just have to forgive me as I fill up my wife's SUV with premium dinosaur bones.

I am sited YTD not last 60 months (which includes a strong El Nino).