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No. Sometimes it's reasonable to say that theyvmade up their minds, it is what it is, etc. I validate them - there is no "need." I agree. But I also let it be known that "need" is not what I'm talking about. And perhaps if they quit confusing "needs" with "wants" they'd be a bit happier. Yeah. I do agree Propblast

Maybe. Or maybe some people are just too ignorant to realise their beliefs/knowledge is limited by their (small) frame of reference. Seems pretty obvious, though, doesn't it? To me, someone who doesn't doubt is someone who doesn't think. I think this is a good point. I currently see it in your AR15 thread. Whenever someone expounds negatively on the way another person lives and states, this is not the frontier age....it shows to me a small frame of reference or a limited view on life. You have put up a couple thought provokes that even got me out from the history forum. Propblast

I don't want to offend you but I do think you have a very narrow viewpoint on life. Propblast

The same is done with guns. Propblast

Rights aren't about satisfying a person's need? It's like asking, "why do you need to ask this question?" You don't NEED to ask it. But you CAN. You WANTED to. And preventing a person from something because that person doesn't "need" it is a pretty dangerous thing. Who "needs" to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures? Who "needs" to have the right to petition? Answer - NOBODY. It's about a right. Not a need. Not a desire. A right. That is absolutely correct but for folks that bring emotion into the argue,net you have to try to show positive reasons(because all they see is the negative) A right is a right. I never understand the argument. I do understand the emotion. Propblast

These are not civilians, though... The point being that these "toys" can do some serious damage... More than your average handgun. We give up A LOT of personal freedoms in the name of safety... A simple every-day example: you can't drive a car at whatever speed you like... As a society, we have decided that beyond a certain speed is just too dangerous. Even though most of the time nothing at all happens, it is just not worth the risk. In a similar way, some people would ban semi or fully automatic riffles for civilians - because the potential harm that can be done is too big. Do people who drive still speed despite it being illegal? Yes. Do people still own/use illegal weapons? Yes. Most people would agree that speed limits, annoying as they are, *do* increase safety. Why are gun lovers so reluctant to admit that some limits in gun ownership would do the same? Now if the law is not enforced and the crime is too rampant, they may be right... But at what point is personal freedom (to own a gun for "fun") overridden by safety (because too many people who SHOULDN'T own one CAN get one - totally legally)? I would counter your point about cars with a point. Do we ban the ownership of fast or sport autos? Nope. And police buy these weapons as civilians. They buy those weapons using civilian funds(personal) for a variety of reasons. Propblast

(Or any other automatic or semi-automatic weapon or a magazine that can hold more than a handful of rounds...) It's a good question... Why *would* any civilian need these? (Other than the obvious: they're fun!!!) The US bans other weapons that have far less potential for harm... Would banning these types of riffles (or high-capacity magazines - or both) actually reduce mass murders? The argument being that law-abiding citizens (ie: people who have legally purchased these) are not the ones committing crimes in the first place... So banning these only punishes law-abiding citizens... Truthfully I don't know... I honestly can't think of a reason you would really *need* one, but I'm not convinced banning them would *actually* make people safer... Thoughts? Nataly, I know many that put food on the table with them. They are well suited for that purpose. I know thousands of folks that compete with them in healthy safe competition. Men, women and children. In fact some of the nicest folks and most well behaved kids I have seen at Civilian Marsksmanship events. Many practice with them to be proficient at work. Either Law Enforcement or other. They are a tool. They have a positive purpose. In a lot of ways they are like a parachute. You don't *need* one of those either. They can get folks killed if used improperly. They can kill others if used improperly. If used correctly they provide a healthy source of entertainment, which is important to the human spirit. I would agree with your last statement that banning them doesn't make anyone safer. I do think the issue gets charged. I once asked a friend whom was Greek. ( we were both cave divers why she wanted to ban guns because of the acts of a few criminals) why she was so supportive of taking tools away from the law abiding. This was after she had found out that one of our favorite cave diving spots was going to be banned due to vandals and a death due to a untrained and but licensed person getting in their. She was adamant about personal responsibility and choice, and upset that anyone would take that away from her in reference to cave diving. I told her that was how many felt about semi auto firearms. She sat quiet for about 30 minutes during our drive and then agreed with me on guns. She said thinking of it that way really changed her mind. She just needed a comparison that made sense. This was a friend who for 5 years maintained that weapons should be banned. It was interesting to see the change. Modern weapons are built well and are safe. They can provide one of the necessities of life: Food. The provide entertainment. They provide safety. I would say they are more important than parachutes, which I also love. Yet a lot of folks won't see it that way. Let law abiding citizens own their weapons, let companies continue to R and D through civilian sales to make better safer ones. Not sure if I directly answered anything but I hope it adds food for thought. -propblast Propblast

Laurinburg is gone? Propblast

Still my favorite post on this website. Propblast

Damn Propblast

Terry, BTW. Thanks for the harness info!! Super helpful! Propblast

I would look it up but my copy is in storage. That's why I asked!! Propblast

Thanks Jerry Propblast

Anyone know the correct nomenclature for the harness for a B4 container? How about the 4 pin ripcord? Better yet anyone know where I can find them. Propblast

This thread is already easier to read than the other. And has about the same amount of info.[:) Propblast

Wish I'd get that deal. Good luck finding the rig Pops! I hope new jumpers are jumping it. Propblast

Great Dropzone. I jumped there last year and the instructors and jumpers where awesome. Propblast

I guess I was ringing the bell for myself as well Propblast

Staticline Jumpmaster. Propblast

Rob, Yep. Thats why I thought it was the first skydiving aad. I still think that.

+1 Skydivers don't get all torqued up over foul language. We have different priorities. Will this beat up max gross jumpship blow an engine just after lift off? How long will I fight this twisted spinning mess before I cutaway? Yeah, my wind limit is 20 and it's gusting to 30, but I'm pretty sure it will be OK. 377 Propblast

Thats why I asked. I was always under the impression that the KAP-3 started life as a sport AAD and then became a military one. I guess from what you are stating I am wrong. Cheers. Propblast

Hell, I know. But, I had to say it the last 5 pages are worse than the previous 1696 Propblast

How about the KAP-3? Propblast

Can ya'll stop bickering? Its hard enough to follow this thread without it. I cant believe a bunch of adults are acting this way towards each other. Propblast