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Exactly, hence the saying that you get what you pay for! Your there to make the suit look good, why compromise! how many liquid sky sport suits have you seen? I've seen alot of Ouragon suits, and alot of liquid sky sports suits. the quality is very similar. I couldnt say one was better than the other.

you will be happy with either, I don't quite know why you think she will be happier with one not the other. julio is awseome, he can make whatever you want. I dont have any pics of mone yet, but I love it. it is the two peice, with the liquid sky logo.

ok, since im wrong, that means you know how to do it. you trained for it right? now explain it.

I asked him that and he only has liability. he said it wasnt worth full coverage.. Im guessing now it would have been. Things like this in my policy are covered by my household insurance. If he as household insurance or tenant insurance he may still be covered. He should check. I asked if he had homowners ins. he said no he rents. but I didnt ask any further.

YES!

Having the "know how" and being able to actually do are two VERY different things, man. I BET you that there are people here that know a LOT more about flight physics then you EVER will. You just have the (great) ability to execute. hahahah... funny.... thats my point!!! PULL THE STRINGS.... PULL THE STRINGS....

very true... but I still dont think that it is BAD for ANYONE to see it. but you are correct 100% stu. if so, maybe all of us swoopers. should go get our own place and trade secrets with each other so nobody else can see them.

how so? tell me, please don't show me.

I asked him that and he only has liability. he said it wasnt worth full coverage.. Im guessing now it would have been.

maybe jay will post on here and tell everyone about it then. then again maybe he wont. you should now ask him "how he does it".

correct. but you wont go as far, nor will you go as fast.

correct. thats why if you do it to much then it ruins the result.. you guys are way over analyzing this. you see any "physics major" winning swoop comps?

more weight, more pendulum. if you do what you normally do in this curcumstance, then you have more swing futher forward wich puts you out front more. call shenanigans... fine with me... but no more info about this is coming from me, not because I want to hold anyone back. I just dont want to argue about it.

and the peeps that "were on there shit" went further. by it "just happening". you try to make it happen, it doesnt work. funny thing is, not you stu. but I use this all the time, and im getting arguments from people who admittedly say that they "asked someone" thats how they know. so since I use this, and most of you have seen it. how come Im wrong and your write. thats not simple physics. thats simple logic. believe what you want, if you want to learn this I will be more than willing to discuss this with anyone on the how and why, I dont need to ask someone, I already know. but If you think Im wrong then dont ask me, ask someone who you think knows. the name calling thing just is stupid, Jay said this. Ian said this, so and so said this. well, I dont have anyone to quote and I wont. I figured this all out on my own. mostly by watching and learning and finding shit on accident. If you have to say "but they said this so your wrong" then you obviously don't know how this phenomena happens. and you definitely don't have the right "or knowledge" to tell me Im wrong. if you can come to me and argue a point without saying "jay told me" then we can talk. otherwise, go out and swoop and figure it out. and quit trying to tell me im wrong without the knowledge of how it does happen. stu has hit the nail about right on the head with this. so go back and read his post's. some of you amaze me on how much you rely on what others tell you. ohh and paul. that earlier post wasnt directed at you, stupid quote thing.

but then your taking away from the speed and distance.

it isnt over speeding the wing, well I guess you could look at it that way, it is kinda like over speeding your body, which puts you in front of the canopy and that changes the angle of attack, and it climbs.

you got it! not to blead off speed though. but to turn that pop sidways. there is a little more fuel for ya. or he was just showin off. like ian said, ask jay. if you want his email addy i will give it to ya. I already know what is answer is.

ok whatever.. digging yourself out of the corner is fun, it is intense. should i disclaimer this? ok... DONT DO IT!!! anyway, strap on 20lbs of weight, fly to land in downwind situation, do the same setup you always do and fly like you always do, and then you will pop up. it will just happen.

It is, I agree for the same reasons you mentioned. What some folks don't realize now is this is just the beginning of the 'leveling evolution.' Everyone is still competing in the same field regardless of body weight, but this will probably change as more swoopers become involved in the circuit. Oh yeah, vdschoor and marks, take me snowboarding with ya'll... I still have one good arm

the energy is created while still in the dive, not on plane out and not to "pop" up. if done right, you let go of the rears just before your even level. it is all energy, and it is not "poping up". you dont do it intentionally, It just happens when you create the energy and "dig" yourself out of the corner. "pendelum" it isn't wrong. you dont intentionally "pop up", it just happens when you do everything right.

jsut start getting into more comps and you will see how much more it will level everything. Im about 180 exit weight. and I really think this is an advantage to me.

you just compete with no added weight.

skydive the farm has a flyer posted for this. maybe hans will scan it with the pictures of the rig camera and helmet and post it here. Hans I know your computer illiterate. just mail the pics to me and I will post them.

He sold his soul to Slaton. the one thing I will never do is sell out to anyone. I do not and will not say or preach that "in my opinion something is the best" unless I truly believe that. If I did sell my soul, I would like my payment. because im broke. and like I said about the pop up thing. there is no secret, thats why nobody will tell you it. It just happens.