FLYJACK

I don't know where you get the idea that my every post has something to do with Kenny Christiansen. Actually, I was mostly comparing the validity of the DNA evidence versus the titanium in the tie evidence. Titanium could have reached that tie by any number of sources. Handling by FBI agents or lab workers, someone who helped manufacture, deliver, or stock the ties wherever they were sold. Perhaps the hijacker borrowed the tie, or purchased it out of a secondhand shop from a guy who worked at Boeing or another aerospace-related firm. Boeing, at the time of the hijacking, was one of the biggest employers in Western Washington. Who knows? DNA, on the other hand, could end up being more reliable in this case. If the FBI gets hold of a suspect, and cannot eliminate his DNA sample based on the partial profile(s) from the tie they have now, this would focus a lot of attention on that suspect, because they've used that criteria to eliminate a suspect before. Simply identifying a suspect based on the idea he worked with titanium is a lot more sketchy. But since you brought up Christiansen again, how about this: The person we alleged as his accomplice worked at Boeing at the time the 727 was being developed and built in Seattle. Later, before and after the date of the hijacking, he worked for Foss Tugs as a marine mechanic. Both of those industries use titanium in one form or another. Six of one, a half dozen of another...the titanium is a good clue. The DNA is better. This is a very unique rare pure form of Titanium, not an alloy used in planes or tugs.. it was more used in chemical, space, weapons, armor

The forum bickering goes on. Info that may be relevant to actual physical evidence seems to be completely ignored. FLYJACK, welcome. How do you link bismuth to what Wah Chang and Oregon Metallurgical were manufacturing? 377 Sticking with upstream producers.. Oremet was dismissed as they used the Kroll method with leaching leaving Magnesium traces... the Ti was pure,, I am researching the Wah Chang process and they used a vacuum-distilled method which produces a more pure Ti.. but nothing conclusive yet, Although,"Spiral chips of aluminum and other exotic metals like bismuth and stainless steel" suggests a "downstream processing" exposure, Wah Chang had gov contracts and dealt with many exotic metals processing... I did stumble across the name of an engineer that died in the early 80s who worked at Reynolds Aluminum in Longview, not far from TBAR and at Kaiser Aluminum and Chemical in Portland. He was US military in Europe, from the midwest and mid 30s in 1971... He died alone at a remote public campground South of Tacoma and East of I5,, his name is a very close scramble of "Dan Cooper". No physical description, though a near perfect match to the FBI profile,, but it would be a helluva story if the Cooper money was still buried at that campsite.. I do have his name, DOB and the location of the campsite but haven't found anything else as this is very new to me. It is too premature to name him publicly, PM me... if you want to look into it.. needs more research

I have also secured/paid for a specific Dan Cooper comic that will be in the mail to me and it should have DNA and prints of a person of interest, I know it is a real loooong shot and don't expect anything but.... IMO, everyone is suspect until they can be eliminated..

Don't know why I can't access that site, maybe because my IP is outside the US,, Vancouver BC.. Interesting info and image from 1964 trade publication, discusses Oremet and Wah Chang (upstream), also identifies,, (downstream) "In general, the Wah Chang corporation does not fabricate finished parts in Albany. When necessary, however, it subcontracts this type of work to other specialized companies in the area. Included in these are the Oregon Metallurgical Corporation, Rem Incorporated and Northwest Industries. With these specialized industries located in the region, it can be understood why Albany has become known as a leading center for the production of refractory metals. http://www.nprha.org/Publications/The_NORTHWEST/1960s/1964_05_SEP-OCT_The_NORTHWEST_SML.pdf

An employee list is out there. "5. IwantedtoletyouknowthatIfoundthespreadsheetthatmyFather aquired before his death. It is a list ofemployees names, ss#, dates employed, diagnosis ofillness, theirjob title and the name ofthe companies that provided the materials to we that contained the hazardeous materials. It is an incomplete list and I do not know ofthe date that it was printed. My Dad was diagnosed in approx. 2003 and he is notonthelist.Thenam e-doesnotappearonthelist.I suspect that whoever compiled the information made it with information that they had available to them and that they did not have everything on everybody that was diagnosed so it only contains the information that they had at the time and they added more as they found out more. I cannot say for sure, but I suspect that this information was gathered by the Steelworkers Union Chapter here in Albany and I have no idea how my Dad got it. The earliest date I see of an employee hired is 1956 and the latest date oftermination 2001." http://www2.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2014-06/documents/09s-10-r10_complaint_redacted.pdf

Interesting.. Did Kaye miss something, there was another Titanium producer other than Oremet located in Albany Or. Wah Chang produced Titanium sponge under Gov contract, "Thanks to the U.S. Bureau of Mines Electrodevelopment Station at Albany, two companies, Wah Chang and Oregon Metallurgical, have located nearby. Using imported raw materials, they produce ingots and castings of columbium, tantalum, molyb- denum, tungsten, titanium, vanadium, zir- conium, and hafnium. Wah Chang produced zirconium and titanium sponge under Gov- ernment contract, and during the year com- pleted the installation of two electron-beam high -vacuum melting furnaces (The Ore .- Bin, October 1959) for producing high- purity reactive and exotic metals." http://www.oregongeology.org/pubs/og/OBv22all.pdf

and some wonder why I don't share the name here… for vetting,, .. No, not wondering....I still maintain my original assessment about secrecy on this thread even if you say it does not apply to you -but LET THE HUNGER GAMES BEGIN????? I don't know - that sounds a little competitive to me.

The guy in that photo looked very familiar to me. It finally hit me -- Christopher Walken! Does anyone else see that? with a little photo shopping 101 what the hell - Thank you! I've always wanted my own preferred suspect, so I can post long and repetitive arguments on my preferred suspect. How do we know Christopher Walken was DB Cooper? 1) He matches the description 2) He may seem too young, but he's the same age as Richard Floyd McCoy 3) He has had proximity to other mysterious events -- such as the drowning of Natalie Wood 4) As a professional actor, he would have experience altering his appearance and his voice Yep! I finally fit in! I now have a suspect. Be sure to check back here hourly for my latest updates! and some wonder why I don't share the name here… for vetting,, ..

The guy in that photo looked very familiar to me. It finally hit me -- Christopher Walken! Does anyone else see that? with a little photo shopping 101 what the hell - My image was not done in photoshop, not manipulated, not distorted in any way, it was one image laid over another then a gif created to show the alignment of features, shapes. My suspect always wore a tie, was exposed virtually daily to all those particles found on the tie AND has a proven connection to "Dan Copper", had WW2 Europe military experience and has aviation knowledge among other things.. Circumstantial YES,,,

lol...I'm with the 377. I think you and Jo have perfected the art of the tease. I'm not getting anymore out of this"transition" than what you've already posted, but that's just me. Lol...such secrecy...If I remember correctly wasn't teamwork a big part of why the hero on hunger games won? Seriously, though...imo...this is another reason that the case will never be solved without a forensic or physical evidence find. Everyone is so "ungnomish" , competitive, and afraid of being "scooped" that no one will ever be declared "the winner' without evidence. I'm talking prints, a body, a chute, or a twenty. But good luck!

There are known gnomes. There are unknown gnomes. There are also unknown ungnomes It is the unknown ungnomes that will sneak up behind you and bite you on the ass. So, I'll post the partial gif of my suspect (older photo), I have removed the last three frames to protect my photo but this is 90% there... open this in a browser and hit refresh,, focus on specific areas during the transition, the eyes, nose, forehead, jawline, lips.. this was only an overlay to transition from 100% the hijacker sketch to 100% my suspect. I defy anyone to come up with a better match from anyone anywhere in the world. You will notice that the ears are off just slightly, everything else is bang on.. notice the turkey neck Bill Mitchell mentioned. The disclaimer, this ONLY proves that my suspect is an excellent match to the sketch of the hijacker. Coincidental. A single piece in the circumstantial puzzle… there are many more… THE BIGGEST I HAVEN"T DISCLOSED. LET THE HUNGER GAMES BEGIN>>>

There are other options. One is: it could be official speak added by some third, fourth, or 18th party, even a typist! Example: I call in and say ' There is a guy in a costume, looks like a cat suit, with a crowbar, trying to break into my back door'. Emergency Dispatcher puts the message out: 'There is a lynx genus Felis rexroadensis caught in a 8x12 bed sheet out at Georger's place. Georger is beating the cat senseless with a crowbar and requests assistance.I have copied Animal Control on this who will be joining you enroute ... ' Who are you going to believe? And what do you suppose the deputy is going to find when he gets there! ? This kind of thing happens all the time when morons get in control of official communications and official records. It generates a lot of work for detectives, lawyers, and psychiatrists! That is the world we live in! Many people expect that everything word written means something and is a clue. Georger, are you suggesting the phrase of "negotiable American currency" could be the result of something as innocent as a high profile game of "telephone"? Even if he said this it doesnt mean he was a foreigner. Since the full phrase occurs in some documents but not others one has to assume it may not represent Cooper's actual words. The exact nature and accuracy of the documents themselves is at question. [I will take a genetic haplotype on this guy over his supposed words, any hour of the day.] It sounds like official redundancy-speak to me, on the part of crew or someone in official capacity. If these are Cooper's words it could be redundancy on his part. For example the word "negotiable" is almost redundant on its own merit. He has asked for $200,000 dollars. Is there any doubt what he wants or such a thing as "non-negotiable" payment involved? Cash is assumed, not a check payable only at the Seafirst bank in person. Negotiable means convertible anywhere .. so 'negotiable' is implicit, but also redundant on somebody's part. US is redundant in the same way. He could be some guy from Boston headed for Algeria and US dollars (universal medium of exchange) are going to be involved in any event and preferred. Put this in the context of other things/phrases Cooper used which are straight out of American middle class linguistic euphemisms. Later - This is fascinating,, the only fact is that the phrase is in the transcript,, how it got in there is open to contextual discretion, cultural bias and discernment of probabilities. This also applies to other aspects of this case,,, but each of us applies reason through a lens of experience. There is no factual solution but there are biases employed,, My reasoned explanation based on the balance of probabilities is that it likely came from the hijacker. There are, of course, other possibilities with diminishing probabilities all the way down to aliens intercepting the communications. My observation is that the American bias is to dismiss or diminish the probability that it came from the hijacker and elevate a lower probability, it came from the crew or it came from a faulty transcript. A confirmation bias mechanism to exclude or reduce the possibility of a foreigner. It is human nature but counter productive in solving a case like this. An unbiased evaluation of probabilities is required, however, we all have biases, so the best we can do is understand them. Unfortunately, facts are subjective, they require contextual discrimination for meaning. Your bias may vary... ...

There are other options. One is: it could be official speak added by some third, fourth, or 18th party, even a typist! Example: I call in and say ' There is a guy in a costume, looks like a cat suit, with a crowbar, trying to break into my back door'. Emergency Dispatcher puts the message out: 'There is a lynx genus Felis rexroadensis caught in a 8x12 bed sheet out at Georger's place. Georger is beating the cat senseless with a crowbar and requests assistance.' Who are you going to believe? And what do you suppose the deputy is going to find when he gets there! ? This kind of thing happens all the time when morons get in control of official communications and official records. It generates a lot of work for detectives and psychiatrists! Yes, of course, duh, it couldn't be the hijacker or the crew, it has to be that the transcript is wrong.. some other American added it somewhere along the line... jeez, one wonders what else they added,, maybe the entire transcript is a fabrication. How do we even know that there was a hijacking?? he asked for parachutes, maybe it was actually parakeets...

Says right in the transcript.. "305 PSGR ADV IS HIHAKING ENRT TO EAE STEW HAS BEEN HANDED NOTE REQST 2HND THSD AND KNAPSACX BY 5PM SEA THIS AFINN WANST 2 BAK PAK PARACHUTES WANTS MONEY IN NEGOTBL AMERICAN CURRNCY DENONMINATION OF BILLS NOT IMPORTANT..." LATER in transcript.. "SEADD DO U KNOW WHERE HE WQNTS TO GO AFTR REQUEST MADE AND REFUELD" "305 NEG HAVE ASK HIM ONCE AND SO NOT WANT TO ASK HIM AGAIN" "SEADDCAM BRING OUT THE MANUALS TO ALASKA IF U THINK SO" "305 WUD SUGGEST WAIT TO SEE WHERE HE WANTS TO GO" http://n467us.com/Data%20Files/dbcooper_transcripts.pdf So, either it came from the hijacker OR the crew... WHY would the crew add it... they didn't know he was going to later request Mexico City.. ..

His stated destination was: MEXICO. They could have given him pesos! Yes, you make a very good point. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_Shock And if he was going to Mexico, he might have wished they had.

Or ... he never said that! READ THE THREAD. It's old advice but you need to check FACTS BEFORE leaping to theory. Facts vs myth. Hot button theory vs. actual research. you miss the point, I STATED,, either the hijacker said it OR somebody added it,, WHY would somebody add it if they were American.. would an American add it to the narrative.. Why would any American add "American" to describe the currency. and you sir miss the WHOLE POINT! He never said it - period! The issue is facts vs myths, in case you care. The fact is, it is in the transcript so somebody said it or added it, either the hijacker or the crew, if they all are presumed American, why would somebody, anybody add it to the narrative.. I AM NOT SUFGGESTING THAT THE HIJACKER SAID IT AS FACT... ..

The use of the phrases "front" and "back" chutes are also used to draw inferences about the hijacker. I don't think we can draw conclusions from that. They may not mean anything. It could just be phrases picked up somewhere. Maybe some other story? Maybe to throw them off? Do other nations have non-negotiable currency that might lead someone to use that word? (I believe there is non-negotiable US currency -- $100,000 bill was only used for interbank transactions). I am a foreigner and American currency is an international currency accepted and used almost everywhere,, in fact, I have American and Canadian currency in my wallet right now,, It is necessary to distinguish "American" currency in verbal discourse.. I would never use "negotiable" but that is a term a criminal might use. "negotiable" means transferrable.. As a foreigner, I can say absolutely that I would say that phrase without even thinking.. it is automatic. So, IF the hijacker said "American" currency, he was likely a foreigner, but then why would the American crew add "American" currency to the narrative. .. The issue is not what you would do, but what DBC did! Does that compute? Do you work for Adventire Books Housecleaning? What computes is your lack of understanding the context.. Somebody, used "American" currency somewhere in the chain, WHY if they're all presumably American..

Or ... he never said that! READ THE THREAD. It's old advice but you need to check FACTS BEFORE leaping to theory. Facts vs myth. Hot button theory vs. actual research. you miss the point, I STATED,, either the hijacker said it OR somebody added it,, WHY would somebody add it if they were American.. would an American add it to the narrative.. Why would any American add "American" to describe the currency.

Sure, but explain why the crew might add it,,, if they are American,,, the argument makes no sense,, the hijacker didn't say it because he is an American, but the crew added it even though they are American.. something doesn't add up here..

The use of the phrases "front" and "back" chutes are also used to draw inferences about the hijacker. I don't think we can draw conclusions from that. They may not mean anything. It could just be phrases picked up somewhere. Maybe some other story? Maybe to throw them off? Do other nations have non-negotiable currency that might lead someone to use that word? (I believe there is non-negotiable US currency -- $100,000 bill was only used for interbank transactions). I am a foreigner and American currency is an international currency accepted and used almost everywhere,, in fact, I have American and Canadian currency in my wallet right now,, It is necessary to distinguish "American" currency in verbal discourse.. I would never use "negotiable" but that is a term a criminal might use. "negotiable" means transferrable.. As a foreigner, I can say absolutely that I would say that phrase without even thinking.. it is automatic. So, IF the hijacker said "American" currency, he was likely a foreigner, but then why would the American crew add "American" currency to the narrative. ..

Not sure where Bruce got his information from..but... The phrase..from the flight crew's handwritten notes written during the hijacking....was "negotiable currency". The transcript (305 talking) has the phrase "Wants money in negotiable American currency. Denomination not important". I will be the first to attest that it is hard to keep all of this stuff straight with all of the misinformation that has been reported over the years. Yes, if the hijacker did in fact use that phrase, he would have been a foreigner, so that phrase has to be explained ex the hijacker to maintain an American as a suspect.. Bruce suggested that it was interjected by the crew,, however, that makes less sense as they are all American,, Why would someone other than the hijacker use that phrase?? Something is fishy here?? you can't have it both ways, you can't argue that the crew added it when they are all American AND argue the hijacker didn't say it because he had to be American. I can't see why an American crew would add the phrase and if they didn't then it came from the hijacker and if the hijacker said it, he is very likely a foreigner. In other words, it is LESS likely that the crew added the phrase than it coming from the hijacker. Edit,, Bruce didn't go into detail, but he felt that the phrase didn't come from the hijacker. it was interpreted by the crew.. My deal is, you have to explain away that phrase coming from the hijacker to maintain an American as a suspect.. If you can't explain it away, it points to a foreigner. The explanation is weaker than the phrase coming from the hijacker.

"negotiable American currency",, Only a foreigner would use that phrase.. Either this came from the hijacker or it didn't, when I was at the Museum symposium, Bruce was adamant that it didn't come from the hijacker,,, this is also problematic.. We know that everyone else was American, and no American would use that phrase, so it is even more difficult to explain the injection of that phrase into the narrative excluding the hijacker. Some crazy thoughts, Is it possible that the stewardess knew the hijacker OR subconsciously sensed that he was foreign causing the use of the phrase, "negotiable American currency"? Northwest Orient Airline did fly some International routes, did the stewardess stay on domestic flights or travel internationally.. did she have experience with foreign passengers? Did anyone else hear the hijacker speak? from Kaye "the most notable line to come out of the Cooper transcripts where passengers on the plane, including the flight attendants, stated that Cooper had no distinguishable accent" ...

can't blame a girl for trying..... No you can't do that,, my suspect lived in several countries.. if that helps.. lol...oh yea that definitely helps. one of them was Switzerland...if you figure it out, Y"ALL don't tell anybody,, mmm ok EH! ,,,

can't blame a girl for trying..... No you can't do that,, my suspect lived in several countries.. if that helps..

A long shot, It has been 42 years, it is going to take a long shot now,, Canadians do not say "eh", that is an exaggerated stereotype, I am Canadian and nobody I know ever says "eh', the rare ones that do are "Canadian rednecks", the majority of Canadians have a neutral accent, there are some severe regional dialects, especially from the East coast, but my family is french Canadian here on the West Coast and they have no accent.. in fact at the time of the hijacking there was a very large french Canadian (military) community 3 hours north of Seattle, the ones I knew of spoke english without an accent. You might be able to detect an odd use of a word after a lengthy conversation, but not in short brief verbal hijacking demands... like "negotiable American currency"..