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I know you have a wide view, no worries.

I acknowledge my position is anecdotal evidence. But, I also came out in post 180 with a non-emotional response of: What I disagree with is Trump finding ways around the court system to deport people without a hearing (Due Process). Stop the open doors, open ports, when undocumented are "identified" begin due process and vett them properly. If they been paying taxes, good members of the community. no history of crime in their country of origin. then there needs to be a pathway.

The only real conversation I remember having is that no one gives a shit about the linked videos… Wendy P.

I don’t think it’s anything more complicated than Scott being extremely taciturn as an individual. Rat is the complete opposite. Rat wouldn’t have just taken it upon himself to do that given that he was outranked in the company by Scott, so Scott must have just deferred that role to Rat.

Honest question: Why do you think the FBI cares enough about NORJAK to be playing games? Also, I'm pretty sure we have the complete unredacted transcripts. Himmelsbach's grandson had a copy with Ralph's stuff and Cunningham scanned the entire thing. Nothing remarkable at all behind the redactions. Just info about other flights in the area, etc. Not sure why that was redacted in the first place.

A friend was with the 82nd Airborne deployed to Ohio during the turmoil surrounding our involvement in Southeast Asia. His unit had been well trained in crowd control and de-escalation. The National Guard OTOH had just come from a very tense miner's strike, were overtired, not trained in nonviolent response to provocation, and sent into an increasingly violent scene where protesters were burning buildings and so forth. They were also issued live ammunition. The decision was made to use the National Guard for the sake of legality, resulting in "four dead in Ohio." I'm trying to think of a conflict between rioters and military/paramilitary forces that ended well and nothing comes to mind. During the Chicago Democratic Convention, when the cops started talking off their badges it was time to get out of Lincoln Park ASAP. The optics helped Tricky Dick beat Hube the Cube. In Chile the Carabinieros expressed sympathy for protesters wanting a new constitution. It was pretty contentious, but a new constitution eventually resulted so I suppose that's about the best outcome I can think of. Since the bulk of the protesters were in fact peaceful people showing up after work on Friday, the tone was somewhat different. The leadership of current administration is given to such inelegant handling of E) All the above that the actual merits of their position on one thing or another become largely immaterial. A policy that could make perfect sense if implemented by someone competent becomes lunacy at the hands of Trump, so it becomes problematic. He has the Midas touch where everything turns to shit and gets gold plated.

Rat has never struck me as being very bright, frankly. Highly conflicted. Emotional and maybe even an emotional basket case during part of the the hijacking was in progress. A true-blue company man through and through. Sworn to secrecy (by God!). An idiot about some things..... a damned fool at times. I base this not just on Rat's erratic behaviors during and after the hijacking, but in conversations he's had with people in the past. It doesnt even surprise me that he would overlook or even dismiss a 'bump'. Bump Shmump! Who cares! That is until the Flight Engineer drilled into Rat's consciousness. Then the argument about reporting it or not! Then more uncertainty and arguing on top of that before Rat finally radios it in. Rat has never taken any responsibility for that ... its below his pay level! It's not what Company guys do, on the premise: what good would it do ? Rat was very angry when a mere passenger hijacked HIS plane. Rat suggested taking the guy out over the ocean and . . . Rat asked ________ where the plane pistol was while the passenger was just settling into his seat. Rat was scared shitless that the guy would parachute and leave a live ticking bomb to blow everyone up. The FAA Psychiatrist may have had something to do with generating that fear. We have literally nothing about the conversation that passed back and forth between Scott and Rataczak. It is what it is.

Welcome to today!

WOW, nice to see you change... I was 8:11 to 8:15 until recently.. 8:11 all the way now...

Surprising to see you put so much faith in the FBI considering that you believe in the western flightpath. Those same documents, all of which are on my website, support the idea that they were strictly following V-23. I’m not arguing against an 8:11 time, as I’ve begun to independently see the merit of that time. I’m just surprised that you would appeal to authority on the jump time but not on the location of the plane.

Yeah well with base698 mostly gone, brent gone, and @dogyks reduced to adding clichéd comments trying to make himself sound wise (having blocked almost everyone to avoid actually having a discussion), there's not really much to say except we see the news and agree that it sucks? They can't really defend their positions so they basically just left.

Quick maths check: 400,000 times 8 is 3.2 million. So yeah, Obama must have deported way more than 400,000 per year in that 3 year period if he was deporting fewer than that for the other 5 years. Or, just maybe, your numbers are bullshit. So yeah - do you think you might want to check whether the reason why some of your numbers sound so crazy is because they are all a work of fiction?

Will you pick my cantaloupes?

This would be the same FIFA who sent the last two World Cups to Russia and Qatar, and already have Saudi Arabia lined up in ten years time. Yeah… they don’t care.