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New episode out now! DB Cooper Falsehoods Fly, with my good friend Ryan Burns. https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-xw2v4-1778eb1 Enjoy!

Well, to be fair, the US didn't get 'run out'. Trumpty Dumpty surrendered and ran away.

Heya all, Dropzone .com has been sold. This site has been part of my life for 27 years, so it was obviously not an easy decision. A huge thank you to every one of you (especially those relentless mods!) who supported Dropzone.com and myself during the years. Things change. The friendships I made here will outlast the tech forever, and for that i'm grateful. It's been real. Safe swoops Sangiro

Micduran, Michelle Duran, passed away on December 11, 2024 https://www.newcomercincinnati.com/obituaries/michelle-duran

I've heard this little parry for years. It's kind of a silly comeback, brothers. Everything is static until it becomes dynamic by human hand.

lol, your country just got bought by an illegal immigrant from South America. After all that macho talk about how you will fight for freedom, fight against oppression, you just bent over, bit the pillow and gave it all away like a cheap hooker.

That dosent change the fact that California requires the new vehicle coming from out of state has to have a minmum of 7500 miles on it to register it

ok bubba

I take it that Deckker has got under your skin a bit?

I’ve recently realised that no one actually cares about corruption anymore. No one cares about any unethical or immoral behaviour in government or public life. They only care if they think it’s being kept secret and someone is getting away with something that is being hidden from them. So you get this weird situation where only the lies are taken seriously, and the stuff that’s actually happening doesn’t matter. So now Trump can say “Here’s Elon, he gave me a hundred million dollars and now he’s in charge of government funding to his own companies!” And people think ‘oh wow Elon’s so clever he’ll be great at this!’ But on the other hand Biden says “You know that Hunter pay to play stuff is all made up right?” And people think ‘you dodgy fucker I knew you were up to something!’

I miss the Weekly World News. I never actually read one, the front page was enough.

It is, well it was a nice country. It was the USSC that opened the doors for oligarchs to take control.

You missed out the fact that like you, jaybird started it by completely making shit up because he was losing the argument about the actual topic badly Brent, losing argument: "olof lives in his mother's basement!" Jaybird, losing argument: "SkyDekker is low T, takes Meth, wears spandex!" So much for someone who deals with "facts"

Former governor of Maryland reports sighting a drone swarm. It turns out to be the constellation Orion. Gullible morons! https://patch.com/maryland/edgewater/late-night-host-pokes-fun-astronomers-debunk-hogans-drone-claims

There is no corroboration on that packing card.. the canopy size is wrong, the type is wrong and very unlikely a 24' conical is in an NB6 and since Cossey was clear for years from 1971 that it was a 28' flat circular.. it can't be according to the packing card.. That card is incompatible with Cossey's description. This is just a FACT. I don't have it backwards, the burden of proof is provide evidence to demonstrate a claim is valid.. The NB6 is ONLY a claim made by Cossey... the burden is not proving a claim if false. Cossey never provided proof when he could have and there is no corroboration. None. Cossey was consistent from 1971, that isn't the same as being factual. Your self imposed capricious and arbitrary litmus test is irrelevant. A trick to exclude info you don't want considered. Cossey's description was sage green nylon container and sage green nylon harness, Hayden was olive drab container tan cloth harness... NB6's are Sage green and don't conflate colour fade today with a 15 year old chute in 1971. I have always said he claimed he was called the evening of the 24th, it is not confirmed, that doesn't mean it didn't happen and I am not relying on that. Besides, you don't know it didn't happen. Since the FBI sent out a detailed description on the afternoon of the 25th with the chest reserve that only Cossey or somebody who had opened the chute would know then we know Cossey was called sometime between the evening of the 24th and mid 25th, before he met with the FBI in-person on the 26th and appears aware of Hayden's chutes being sent. Ironic, that you reject Cossey's claim that he was called that evening but you accept his claim of an NB6, neither is corroborated. What file is this?.. I posted it and another FBI file regarding the missing front chute description before the 26th. Cossey's later stories indicate exactly what he believed, that HIS personal chutes were used this is corroborated by Emrich. He just never corrected his error. How do you know everything from Cossey "checks out" from 1971, there is nothing to corroborate his claim. "Checks out" does not equal true. You can say he was consistent, that doesn't mean what he said was true. Those are not the same. I think you have conflated consistent with true... not the same thing. Cossey's story changed after the FBI case died down and pressure was long gone, he was lying by omission in 1971. Later, he just said what he believed the evening of the 24th. If you are getting a set of bailout chutes for a plane you don't want them to be completely different with one difficult to use. You want two similar, simple and interchangeable.. Strawman.. "Why would Cossey just have a pair of WW2 parachute packs just laying around" what makes you think he did and why are you asking me a red herring question. Hayden got them from a surplus store and they got Cossey to pack them. Hayden meant the same type, the Olive Drab was the military version and the Tan P2 was the civilian version, very simple, consistent and doesn't confirm an NB6, otherwise the same but different model numbers. The 302's are full of errors, conflations and miscommunications,, the only single outlier in all this is the 28' attributed to Hayden. Strangely, you keep calling the chutes rare as if true or means anything. Hayden did get a P2, the other one was not a P2, it was similar but the military version.. There were many of these era containers that were virtually identical with different model numbers. Probably really cheap. Cossey and the packing card are incompatible. So, can't be both. It isn't a Chinese food menu, you can't pick and choose only the things you like. A 28' flat circular is incompatible with a 24' conical.. Sage Green is not Olive Drab. Cossey believed his personal chutes were grabbed from Issaquah by Emrich. It all fits.. If you choose Cossey's description you must accept all of it and the packing card must be discarded... and vice versa. You can't accept part of Cossey's description and reject the incompatible part.. it all gets tossed unless you have some corroboration.

Will it help if they promise to stop drinking if they get the job....?

You can count that high?

Good Q. For the most part no - as long as you build it there. If you try to import it as a car from (say) China you may well run into import restrictions.

Cossey is the only source for the NB6/8 description, there is no corroboration, only conflicts. What conflict does an NB6 have with anything? What about the 1960 packing card negates it being an NB6? The burden of proof is on the affirmative, not negation. Prove it was an NB6/8, not it wasn't. You have that completely backwards. You are the one making the accusation that it ISN'T what is in the case evidence. That burden is on you. Cossey has told many conflicting stories, you can't just ignore the lies, misinformation and inconsistencies but accept this one aspect. That would never fly with a witness. I've explained my Cossey litmus test. I've not discovered him telling a known falsehood until the 1976 article where he talks about the chute left on the plane being a prized possession or some such. Five years into it the case was certainly the "DB Cooper case". In the days after the hijacking, he had no reason to be embellishing anything. And he's consistent as far as I can tell. Cossey's description in the FBI files conflicts with Hayden's. How? Cossey's description conflicts with the missing chute packing card. So does Hayden's Cossey never supplied his packing records, lied to the FBI about it and later claimed he did have the records. This is problematic, certainly. Cossey changes the description form NB6 to NB8,,, why, it wasn't modified. I don't care what Cossey said after 1976. Cossey would have learned of his error within a day or two but never corrected his error. Lied by omission. There is nothing in the case files nor in the early media reports to suggest that he was called on the night of the 24th. You're basing that on his bullshit stories from later years. He knew by the 26th for that in person FBI interview but must have talked to the FBI prior, Cossey claimed he was called the evening of the 24th.. a file on the 25th describes the front reserves in detail, that had to come form Cossey. Cossey must have talked to somebody between the evening of the 24th and late afternoon 25th. What file is this? Cossey claimed he was called the evening of the 24th, the back chute found was described and he described his NB6,, how can this be if he didn't even know about Hayden's chutes being sent. Cossey's later stories revealed his belief that he thought they were his two personal back chutes, the NB8 bailout (Cossey was a pilot) and a B-4 freefall). Neither match Hayden's. Cossey was telling us what he believed at the time of the hijacking. Cossey's later stories are all known bullshit. So why are you relying on them to inform your opinions about the truth? Ignore everything that dude said after 1976 and your head won't be spinning so much. If you ignore everything Cossey said after that 1976 article, then everything checks out between the FBI Files from 1971 and what he told the media in 1971. Hayden said they were the same, the tan one was a civilian version early 1940's, the Olive Drab a military version by colour of the same type. Unlikely Hayden would have two completely different bailout rigs, they would be a matching pair. Why is it unlikely? A matching pair? Why do you think that? They don't come in pairs like a set of cufflinks. C'mon now. Cossey said they were assembled out of crap he had lying around. Why would Cossey have a matching pair of rare WWII parachute packs just laying around? That's not realistic. The 28' thing, that is odd but Cossey claimed a flat circular which is consistent with a 28'. The packing card said conical which is consistent wth a 24'. The FBI file seems to attribute 28 to Hayden, that could be an error/typo, or it may be a conflation with Cossey's early description. The 302's have errors and conflations. They are facts, they are investigative notes. Hayden says it was a 28 footer way before they got in touch with Cossey. And Hayden doesn't say they were the same. If they were the same, he'd have said so. He seemed to think they were different because he described them differently....so I mean...they weren't the same in his mind. Why use the term "military back pack" to describe the OD one and not also the tan one? NB-6's "look" military. That's why. To accept Cossey's NB8 claim you must reject that packing card. You need corroboration that it was an NB8 and proof that the packing card is wrong. I can't see any way to do that. For one thing, I'm accepting his NB6 claim from 1971, not anything about an NB8 from 2003+. Cossey doesn't call it an NB-8 until 2003. And again, I don't care what Cossey after 1976. He's totally untrustworthy after that point. Being notable in the Cooper case had gone to his head by that point. Once more, I have to ask, what about that packing card tells you it wasn't an NB-6? The packing card does NOT negate an NB-6 or a B-4 or P-2-24 or whatever. Packing cards are about the canopies, not the containers.

Sorry, low T guy like me couldn't possibly do that with such a macho alpha male. Maybe we can drink tea and the first to smile loses? But we both have stick our pinky out.

I'm thinking you two should have a real man's contest. Go outside, rub penis heads, the first one to smile - loses.

Robert, we're talking about DAN GRYDER'S phony parachute, not the museum chute. I think you are the one who needs to get a good nights sleep! And you don't have to tell me about your personal experience with NB-6's. I own TWO of them, including the replica created for Richard Tosaw by Earl Cossey.

Standard projection behavior. Because some people think the way THEY do stuff is the ONLY way it should be done, and they spend so much of their time shoving their beliefs and behaviors down everyone else's throats, they think that when someone else says "Hey! This is what I do and it works well for me!" that that person is insisting that everyone else do that. Also standard projection behavior: Accusing everyone else of doing what they secretly do or want to do.

An art dealer phones a painter and says: "I have good news and bad news." Painter: "Okay, what's the good news?" Art Dealer: "The good news is, a person came to the gallery today and asked about the value of your art. I showed him the current price on all your paintings. And when I mentioned that it would increase in value after your death, he immediately bought ALL of them!" Painter: "Wow! That is GREAT news! So what's the bad news?" Art Dealer: "He was your doctor."

Now, I'm fucking distracted.

No need. I gave up the green hammer decades ago. I'm harmless now.

I'm planning on buying a Cooper $20 at some point and I'm 100% going to sacrifice a piece of it for Tom to do some more testing on. The fact that we're basing all of our info off a single piece from a single $20 makes me uneasy. Same thing with the tie. I know Tom tested a Boeing man's tie as a control, but I'd like to see a lot of ties looked at.

What do you see, Turtles Peed? And why did you choose that as a username? So weird. 12

I like them both, cypres my choice, track record and customer service is better than others

if anybody is in need of parts, I got some new, unused stuff just gathering dust...