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Dan Gryder's found chute,, Ryan nailed it in his videos, I don't know where he gets the patience but it is not even an NB6... It is an AF B-4 harness and that might be a B-12 container.. Similar to this.. and similar... the one on the right, notice it is a converted right side pull (the left one is an earlier version) That 1943 Hayes canopy Dan Gryder is claiming was Cooper's was not.. it was a 1960 Steinthal. So, the crazy irony of all this mess is that Gryder claims it matches Cossey's NB6/8, it doesn't and Cossey claimed his personal NB6 was used by Cooper, it wasn't... (In time everyone will see this) We have two compounding and intertwined layers of misinformation from Cossey and Gryder... this is difficult to explain to non Cooper experts. Now that Gryder has disparaged and blamed the FBI for lies and a coverup, he has nowhere to go but down...that was the death throes of a failing narrative and peak Dan Gryder. No Dan Gryder, when you read this.. that wasn't Cooper's canopy or container.. easily debunked... and McCoy wasn't Cooper, you didn't solve the case you made a fool of yourself on national media. The McCoy kids seem sincere but don't know the two hijacking cases very well. McCoy was not Cooper.

This site is apparently going tit's up. As the gal who had the biggest thread ( except db) I want to say thank you to all of you for the discourse over the years. It's been fun!

You’re ignored so i don’t, nor do i care to read your bs… but even from here I can see that you’ve started 2 threads about MSNBC in the past day. just wanted to ask: are you okay? Do you need a safe space to cope with what they’ve done to trigger you?

Olemiss, I am sticking by my post on this. Have you read the posts on this site related to the parachutes since 2009? Have you read Bruce Smith's interview with Hayden? There were only four parachutes involved here. Two front packs came from Hayden who said they were similar, and two chest packs came from the skydiver operation where Cossey worked. No NB-6 rigs were involved. Cossey may not have even known about the hijacking until the FBI finally got in touch with him. The FBI 302s indicate that they were unable to contact Cossey until early on the morning of Thanksgiving Day by which time the airliner had been on the ground at Reno for several hours. Other than being the rigger who packed the parachutes and assembled the back packs from various military surplus items for Hayden, Cossey apparently did nothing useful to help the FBI. Of course, he did talk to the media.

I think it’s good for the small group of us who research the case to hear these details from you. However, I don’t think the Gryders of the world care. If you look at the views on Wiki, he has driven those up a lot. All the posts on FB and Reddit the past year or two have been totally eclipsed by him. If you look at who has brought publicity to the case, it’s Gryder, EU, Colbert, McCoy, Loki, Prison Break, a few documentaries, etc. It’s like PBS trying to compete with NASCAR (the legit researchers are PBS). I have mixed feelings about it, but I guess any publicity is good within reason. Your book will be a good place to combine all of the videos you do. I for one just don’t have the time to watch much, so I rely on the summaries I read in everyone’s comments and yours too. We all know Gryder is wrong in so many ways, but if the voters weighed in, it would be Dan Gryder in a blowout.

No one ever claimed the museum chute was an NB6, so not sure of your point there. Hayden also didn't say they were identical or that similar. He clearly described them different because they looked differently to him. Cossey's only inconsistency in the FBI Files from what we think we know is the canopy size. If you ignore everything he ever said to the media, then I don't see any reason to doubt what he told the FBI.

You weren't wrong, I should have been more specific in my terminology... I do that sometimes trying to recall specific things.. this issue is complex and not easy to convey clearly. There is a ton of info, nuance and detail that gets overwhelming to write out... I have 10,000 files on this... and I am having a hard time keeping everything straight. Cossey used "round" and "flat circular" to describe the 28' canopy. A "flat circular" is consistent with a 28' and it is not a 24' "conical" as described by the packing card. Remember Cossey referred to it as a modified NB6 and an NB8, that does NOT match a 24' canopy. An analogy might be putting wider wheels on your car but narrower tires,, yeah it is possible but not really done. I have not been able to find a 24' in an normal NB6 or as Cossey called his an NB8. In regards to Cossey it makes no sense for a 24' to be in an "NB-8".. it just didn't happen. Of all things I posted in that long comment I thought this was the least controversial... I am 100% on this, Cossey believed his personal NB6 was used by Cooper, he was describing that rig, not Hayden's. His description conflicts with the packing card for the missing chute and Hayden's description. The light bulb moment was reading that Emrich was about to grab 4 chutes, 2 backs and 2 fronts for The Loft but was contacted and told to only send the fronts as they had secured Hayden's chute. Hayden said his missing chute was Olive Drab,,, NB6's are Sage Green. Hayden needed a pair of cheap bailout rigs to meet regulations, he never intended to use them, it make sense that he bought two similar cheap WW2 era container vs one newer premium modified NB6. So, Cossey sitting at home quite reasonably believed that Cooper got his personal back chutes from Issaquah. He was told a tan chute was left so he assumed Cooper took his personal NB6/8. Cossey would have figured this error out within days but never clarified. Cossey would have checked his packing records and known he got it wrong. He never gave the FBI his records as that would have exposed his error. He even told the FBI that he gave them everything he had, the FBI said they never got them. Cossey was being considered to jump the test recreation, if he came clean and said he got the chute wrong he would have lost cred.. Ultimately, he wasn't use for the test and was not happy with the FBI. This is solid. Put all the pieces together and test it. That is the only explanation for all the inconsistencies. So, Cossey screwed the FBI, screwed Carr, screwed the media, screwed researchers and the Vortex... The takeaway is the FBI was looking for the wrong chute and it may have been found and rejected,, that probably wouldn't have given us Cooper's identification but it would have helped. We can no longer say nothing was found,,, WE don't know. This is a big deal. I have looked at the found chutes in the files and there is no way to assess them. Cossey screwed everything.

The women in your life must be so proud of you - crowing about a convicted sexual assaulter getting money for being called a rapist instead of a digital penetrator. Are you really on a mission to see just how disgusting you can get in the couple of weeks that are left?

This is Cossey's interview... the tell, he says HIS PERSONAL BACKPACKS WERE GRABBED FROM THE LOFT. That is what he believed when he gave the (wrong) description of the chute Cooper used. He just never accepted or corrected it. Maybe he was just never asked and never told. Note, he doesn't mention moving the ripcord to the other side for a harder pull, he refers to it being flatter on an NB8. HIS PERSONAL CHUTE, not Hayden's 24' missing Steinthal. https://www.uspa.org/about-uspa/uspa-news/the-secrets-of-db-cooper-part-one-notorious-flight-305 Gear Details The evening of the hijacking, Cossey received another call from authorities after the jet landed in Reno, and he then learned what happened to his gear. Cossey explains, “The skydiver staying at the loft had grabbed two of my personal backpacks and two chest packs from the drop zone. One was my B-4 sport rig and the other was my Pioneer NB-8, a Navy emergency chute used for pilots.” Over the phone, Cossey learned that Cooper took his NB-8 pilot emergency backpack and that his freefall rig remained in the aircraft. Cossey explained, “When I learned which rig was missing, I thought, ‘Oh, this guy’s crazy.’” The Navy emergency rig was specifically designed for pilots for emergency bailouts at potentially low altitudes. The round canopy did not have a sleeve or diaper to stage the opening, ensuring an extremely fast opening. “That rig has a bad opening shock. It’ll just rip your crotch apart,” Cossey said bluntly. Aside from the opening shock, Cossey was unsure whether Cooper was even able to pull the ripcord. He explained, “The ripcords for the sport rigs were bent up so you could easily see and grab them. The Navy rig’s ripcord is designed to lie very flat so that it doesn’t catch on anything. If Cooper was wearing his raincoat, I don’t know if he’d even be able to find and pull the ripcord in the dark.” Unlike the freefall rig, the Navy rig was significantly thinner, made of slick nylon and had absolutely no padding in the leg straps. “The differences in the rigs were obvious” Cossey said, “and anyone with any skydiving experience would definitely take the sport rig.” However, Cossey noted, “If he had military experience, he may have used the military rig because that’s what he was familiar with. If he didn’t have any experience, he probably did some awful maneuvers going out of that plane. I’ve seen jumpers spiral violently and never recover. I don’t know if he would have even been able to regain his senses.”

So you get that borders are a construct born of selfishness and a desire to control the lesser fortunates in your domain, I hope. Probably you don't. Would you rather that never had a single hominid move away from his fire and cave instead? Even if you go full BUT JESUS! on us that still happened, at a minimum, 250,000 years before Jesus was imagined.Look around the world, man, no nations borders are secure: too many rats on the rock.

As I get it the party is over at the end of the month and that's a real shame, I think. If naught else here has been a place of reprieve from the mostly saccharine conversations of daily life and that I will miss indeed. I deeply appreciate, even when in strong disagreement, what you have brought to this forum even when you were jerking my chain, leading me on, or hoping for a bite. Some here find those things offensive, not me, but then I also partake on occasion. The election won't harm me, but as you know that's not how I base my politics. My bets are hedged, of course, so I'm good. I hope for you and others that things play out favorably given Trumps ignorance and propensity to fuck things up. Good for me that when things are bad the jumpin' biz is usually good. I wish you great holidays and success and in the words of Captain Pellew when he welcomed Horatio back aboard the Indy from the plague ship: Good to have you back Mr. Hornblower.

Good to see you in here again Flyjack. Just a couple general notes: A conical is indeed a round. The difference is in the side profile. Seen from the side, a normal 'flat circular' round looks like an upside down bowl, whereas a conical looks kinda-sorta like an upside down funnel. But they are both 'round' parachutes, as seen form the top or bottom. Within reason, a smaller canopy can be put into a larger container, as long as there is enough bulk to maintain the integrity of the pack job and keep some tension on the closing pins. It would result in a softer, more flexible rig, which would make it more comfortable for the wearer.

Nonetheless it's is going to happen. People are getting more pissed by the day because it's ever more obvious we are getting screwed, our doctors are a big part of the problem, and we do not have the best healthcare or outcomes in the world, period. I recently couldn't get my heart medicine refilled for the umpteenth time until I made an appointment with my cardiologist and had my time wasted for an hour waiting and 5 minutes with the bastard not to mention scheduling my days around it all. Of course during and after Covid telehealth was no problemo and he even took my word on my blood pressure. I need to get my next echo out of yearly insurance sync for my medical so it will be out of pocket, oh well. I asked how much that would be and he said someone in the business office would know, as if he hadn't a clue, then mumbled probably hundreds but probably not thousands, and scurried off knowing he'd just made an ass of himself. Not to put Jay's knickers in a twist again but we used to laugh about people going postal when the actuality was no laughing matter. Hopefully health insurance gets fixed before we are wrongly laughing about that, too.

It occurs to me that most countries have a health care system. The USA is slightly different in that it has a healthcare industry instead. And changing that would be pretty difficult because it would wipe out literally trillions of dollars in equity built up in capital markets.

I have decided to break my self imposed boycott for a post as DZ may be gone forever soon… Here are some of my current thoughts for year 2024.. Merry Christmas.. whether you agree with these comments or not.. take em or leave em. Why did Cooper try to give the stews ransom money (and other criminals do this), Simple, it taints or compromises the witnesses, are they going to be completely honest if they got some cash… Nope. They will “obstruct” if they have taken money. Dan Gryder youtube videos,,, temporarily sucking all the oxygen from the case. It is obvious to anyone with a very basic understanding of the case that the McCoy container and canopy he claims to have found do NOT match Cooper’s, not even close. It is as wrong as can be. McCoy was not Cooper, the FBI McCoy files and Cooper files are clear. The media is a sucker for these hyped stories. Gryder's 15 minutes are up. He has nowhere to go from here. Now, attacking the FBI won't go over well for credibility, he is cornered and just humiliating himself. His only allies are the fake comments left on his youtube channel praising him.. after he deletes all the legit ones. Is any publicity good publicity? Andrade.. stylometry for text under 3000 words is "random noise". This is a quote from the inventor of R Stylo. I did a lot of Stylo work using R Stylo sodtware on the letters before Andrade was doing it. Dayton has no letter connection to Gunther. It is random noise there is no signal there. Stylo is useless for short text. Need 3000 words or more… Many jumped on this,, no, no, no, it is noise, no signal. Gunther… Dave and I were right… Gunther did not make it all up.. Yes, many of you were incorrect.. He was contacted by somebody claiming to be Cooper and somebody about 10 years later, that may have been a hoaxer or possibly Cooper himself. The consensus was wrong. Pro tip, never follow a consensus, especially in this case. Skip Hall… NO, Look at images and he has extreme creases across his forehead and down the sides. Not one Norjak witness mentioned this and it would not be missed. Skip’s creases are severe and eliminate him. Skip is the NEO KC. Eliminated. Sorry Mr Limbach. Skip may be an interesting guy, not Cooper. NOBODY would have missed those forehead creases. Not to mention, no actual connection to NORJAK. That is not Cooper's forehead. Cunningham.. has messed up the timestamps for the flightpath map and misled the Vortex. He has shifted the time by two minutes at the Columbia River.. 8:18 has become 8:16.. this is NOT accurate and NOT backed by any evidence. It is misleading to move Cooper’s jump time 2 minutes or 6 miles South at the Columbia. Cunningham made two distinct errors, he has speculated that the SAGE map creator marked the times off by one minute because there is an unlabelled mark is missing early in the flightpath, this is pure speculation. When the path is analyzed and the segments measured over the entire path the missing mark is irrelevant, the plane was travelling at a relatively consistent speed. It is a hard to explain but the area missing the mark has wider spaces between marks so over a larger time increment there is no change in plane speed. Second, Cunningham missed a mark N of the Columbia, look at the segment on his map before the Columbia and after, it is nearly triple the distance between minute marks,, obviously this is impossible, you can’t unsee it, the plane can’t speed up and slow down that much over that distance. Do not accept Cunningham’s recalculated flight map times they are simply not accurate and misrepresenting the evidence. This is impossible. 8:15 to 8:16 is almost 3x the distance from 8:16 to 8:17... WRONG WRONG WRONG Cooper’s LZ,,, It keeps moving further South, there is no evidence for this. At 8:09 there was a mark on the FDR and pitch correction, that had to be Cooper going to the bottom of the stairs initiating drag. At 8:11, there were increasing pressure fluctuations on the gauge culminating in an extreme fluctuation felt by the crew and described as a bump. So, the key question is how long were the fluctuations to the final bump. The idea that the 8:11 fluctuations were Cooper going down the stairs doesn’t fit the evidence, if Cooper was going down the stairs at 8:11 then the plane would have pitched then and there would have been a mark on the FDR at 8:11 not 8:09. Cooper went down the stairs at 8:09 marked on the FDR.. (There is a possibility the 8:09 FDR and 8:11 fluctuations are the same thing and times got messed up, the FBI checked 8:09 time on the tape but always possible there is an error) So, the 8:11 fluctuations were not Cooper going down the stairs. I can see Cooper jumping from about 8:12 to 8:15.. and 8:15 is about Battleground. If Cooper jumped and pulled at 8:12 he could have drifted up to 6 miles N (2 minutes on map) to about 8:10, that could put him just N of the Lewis River. So, my LZ is just N of the Lewis to Battleground. The consensus moving the LZ more and more south is not based on evidence but groupthink. If Cooper jumped at 8:15 Battleground he could have drifted to about 8:13 on the map... a no pull is straight down of course but a no pull is extremely unlikely. Ron, the hydrologist new to the Vortex drew a conclusion without all the TBAR information, he did have the Palmer report. TBAR is full of debris. His TBAR assumption was incorrect. 99% the money came from the River. TBAR was a debris trap. The insect wing scale found on the tie appears to match a casebearing moth tough I couldn't find a SEM image for these species, there are two virtually identical species identified, one is extreme Southern US to South America, the other is virtually everywhere so no help there. These are two different species. The fungus found on the tie matches penicillium. Everywhere, may have grown in storage after NORJAK. The hair/fiber on the tie matches cashmere. This might be what they call a clue. Foundry… Nope, another rabbit hole, foundries use specific sand with binders added not typical river sand like Fazio’s. That waste sand is unique to the metal used by the foundry and foundry waste sand is reused for many other purposes. My latest research indicates to me that Cooper obtained the tie weeks before the hijacking and it wasn’t from a thrift shop or anything random like that. I have matched it to a specific environment and identified a person. This includes the updated particles like Uranuim, Thorium and Mercury… the key to understanding the tie is not to pick one or two particles and try to find a matching environment but to match the wide variety to an environment. The wide diversity of particles is the unique fingerprint. There is no way to 100% confirm the tie environment. and NO, not metallurgy. Give it up. The bomb expert. Interesting guy, but he concluded the bomb was likely not real mainly because the legal charge is higher using a real bomb vs fake,,, this is misleading and out of context, in 1971 hijacking was a capital offence so real or fake bomb didn't matter. The bomb question was Daren's signature line and funny because nobody really knows so answers were like a Rorschach. Most everyone said fake.. since nobody really knows why does everyone choose fake.. so I took the other side and argued it might be real on the forum just to be a contrarian.. Eventually, more people moved to possibly real. Still, nobody knows but I lean slightly REAL based on other explosive information. Sketch A vs B,,, Sketch B is the most accurate, no question, I have an undisclosed Cooper image and it is close to B.. Granted B is still a composite sketch but it is more accurate than A. The FBI agrees. I can't share my evidence, if I did everyone would agree on sketch B. Don't ask. also, witnesses liked Murphy (with the glasses and hat, not without), matches sketch B very very well. Sketch A not as well. Extremely unlikely Cooper’s container was an NB6. Cossey described it as a modified NB6, 28’ round canopy. The packing card found says Pioneer, Steinthal canopy 24’ conical. So, Cossey’s description is way off. Cossey was contacted and given the description of the tan chute left in the plane so he got that one right. A round is not a conical., they are different. A 28’ can fit in a modified NB6 but the card says it was a 24’, a NB6 is a 26’ container,, would a smaller chute be put into a larger container, don't think so. Cossey isn't even close to the packing card description. Both of Hayden's chutes were Pioneer containers,, Cossey only ever referred to the one left in the plane as a Pioneer. What likely happened,, Cossey was contacted and asked for chutes he agreed for all 4 to be obtained from Issaquah. Emrich was getting the 4 chutes but was contacted to only get the front chest chutes as the two backs were obtained from Hayden. Emrich sent the two front chest reserves. But Cossey still believed that his back chutes were sent and used.. Cossey was contacted (he claimed the night of the hijacking) and was given the description of the back chute left behind. He then gave his description of the missing chute he believed was his NB6. It wasn’t, we know it was Hayden's. Cossey must have learned of his error soon after but never corrected the record and never supplied his packing records. So, Cossey’s description of the chute Cooper used is completely wrong and unreliable. None of it can be used. It may not even be an all white canopy. Hayden believed his chutes were the same/similar other than colour, this makes sense for a set of bailout rigs. You aren’t going to use different rigs and one modified. His tan chute left in the plane was an early 1940’s Pioneer P2-B-24.. these were mostly civilian and sometimes military use. There were similar era military versions in olive drab, that is likely what Cooper used, not a Korea era NB6. It is even possible Cooper’s chute was found but rejected due to Cossey’s misrepresentation. Finally, the DNA as I suspected is virtually dead,, especially if the tie was not Cooper’s before the hijacking. So, how do we put a suspect on the plane. Fingerprints, but If Cooper obscured his prints that may also be dead. I am working on one last Hail Mary to forensically put a suspect on the plane, after that it will be a circumstantial case. Not ideal but that may be all we have left.

It may seem odd - that a competent head of HR would do something that could both cripple the company and get her fired - but keep in mind that it just happens to support his latest attack on the loser libs, so there's no possibility he just made it up. He, after all, has a long history of being scrupulously honest here, and never says things just to get people going.

"intellectually incestuous circle jerk" - how conservatives see science, modern medicine, and the study of history. They prefer to be free and independent thinkers, unfettered by the chains of education, research, collaboration or review. If they see a video on their phone while they are pooping - why, that's "doing their own research", and they are now qualified to give advice on when to vaccinate your child!

Kirk was definitely my go-to coach for the numerous times I had to get current. Questionable sense of humor, though not if you asked him! The funnier he found one of his own jokes, the more snorts you'd get out of his laughing (I did hear a three-snort laugh once!). After I learned of his death, he came up in conversation with someone I had only just met. I told her the funny story about how no one ever knows until later that they dated Kirk Knight. She got quiet for a minute, then realized she had dated him as well (she wouldn't have realized it had I not connected the dots for her). Kirk was the reason I was a decent skydiver, am a pretty good judge, and am also an ambassador for the Museum/Hall of Fame -- and I'm just one person. I know there are dozens (if not hundreds) of people who could say the same about how Kirk helped them. He is still missed. Fucci -- thanks for being there for Kirk, especially at the end (whether he wanted it or not). You were both great teammates. --T Bone