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People who say we cannot move on from petroleum should stand out of the way from those that are already doing it.

I get damned tired of Trump's bullshit about who pays the tariff on imported goods. Either he is too stupid to understand consumers pay it, or he is counting on the public to be that stupid. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say it is the former. Also, he trotted out that tired old claim that NATO members paid us. No one in NATO pays anyone else. I'll just again assume he is too stupid to understand it.

Harris may well be the first Presidential candidate I actually voted FOR since my first Presidential election, Reagan's second term in 84 (I was young, idealistic and not terribly experienced). There are aspects I don't agree with, but overall, she's smart, experienced and seems to actually be a mostly decent person. As I've said before, I'd vote for Howdy Doody, with Clarabelle the Clown as VP over Donnie von Schitzenpants.

To add insult to injury a Black woman. The ketchup must have been flying by the bucketful last night.

Funny how when Biden stumbled his way through a debate the Dems all said 'shit, our very old candidate doesn't sound good, people shouldn't vote for someone who doesn't sound like he knows what's going on'. Then Trump says one of the biggest problems facing the USA is immigrants stealing and eating all the pets in an entire state and Republicans don't say 'shit, our very old candidate sounds senile and demented as a Proud Boy with Alzheimers' but instead just moan about how unfair it is that someone fact checked it.

Herman Cain died after attending one.

Revenue is irrelevant for this stock. It has zero value if he doesn't get elected. It is the ultimate pay for play scheme if he does get elected. It is the only reason this company exists.

Good historical outline, agreed on most points. The fallacy however is believing the outcome would have been better had Truman lost.

Well, it isn't your country that's up for grabs and either way you'll be stuffed with internet talking points so I can sort of see your lack of concern. The value of the content of the debate is always debatable and often forgettable, no doubt. So the real reason to watch it fore to aft is to see if on her first side by side with Trump if she could come off as appearing Presidential. That's what can turn an election and that she did. Sorry you missed that.

The felon has demonstrated that he is not intelligent enough to grasp such a concept. Evil AND stupid is never a winning combination. Even if the evil he is doing is your kind of evil.

Yeah...Americans have nothing to offer the world except oil, and that's the only reason the dollar has value. /s Again here's an oldie thinking that tying currency to a silver or gold standard was a good thing, showing zero understanding of economics. So Winsor saying that Kamala has zero understanding of economics actually provides zero information, because he knows nothing about economics himself.

Kamala demonstrated that she can do this job, easily and far better than the orange convict. Trump is/was deranged and unhinged. I think the debate should be scored on the number of complete sentences.... But hey, at least she had plans and trump admitted that he has NOTHING to offer on healthcare.... just 'concepts'...... like, y'know, 'more healthcare and everything and they are destroying the country.....' But immigrants eating your pets? I am already watching the MAGA types defending these statements as not only accurate, but a 'policy' that THEY will be voting on re: Trump. It is truly a cult.

Shouldn't she be concerned that immigrants will eat her cats?

An angry idiot. Doesn’t understand basic voting that it is a ratio. So what if you got 70 Million votes if your opponent gets 80 Million. My only concern is that Harris is intelligent and uses ‘big words’ and logic and so many people are emotionally driven and don’t relate well with some of the language. Fingers crossed that they are the minority.

I do my own rigging. The canopies both fit well.

Try the 538 predictor. It runs simulations on various state outcomes.

Hi folks, Missourians will vote this November on whether to legalize abortion. Missouri Supreme Court puts abortion amendment back on ballot | STLPR So far, every state that has had an abortion choice on the ballot, it has been a win for abortion rights. Yet, the GOP continues to tell us that the American people are opposed to abortion rights. Somebody is full of it, Jerry Baumchen

And personally I’d vote for Kamala over Skippy the Wonder Dog, but the dog wins over Trump every time Wendy P.

as requested. She has a degree in law and much experience as a prosecutor. She also has political experience now, years of it. She has no criminal investigations following her around and she is for liberty, women's rights and the rule of law. She has never tried to overthrow a government nor is she a communist nor a Marxist, as if anyone here knows anything about what those accusations actually mean

I wrote this back in 2018 when I was running for state legislature. It is not a solution but is a start and would CERTAINLY reduce gun violence and any solutions will take a generation of enforcement to see the results and benefits. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gun Legislation Proposals Gun violence in the USA supersedes levels seen in any other civilized country in the world. That is a fact. There are no excuses about not being able to do better. Of course we can. We simply refuse to. America likes their guns, but are now rising up against seeing their children and young people being murdered en masse using the types of weapons that are readily available to the general public. There are no ‘single fixes’ or statements like “The problem is….” as there are a plethora of problems and issues and therefore a plethora of things that need to be addressed to improve the situation. Here is what we are NOT going to do: · We are NOT going to stop gun violence, we are working to reduce it · We are NOT going to take all your guns away, but some of them (and their accessories) must go and at the very least, many people should not have access to them But here is the broad spectrum of issues that need to be addressed: · Licensing of the PERSON, not necessarily the gun · Tracking the sales and movement of guns from manufacture to meltdown · Private sales must also be tracked, all of them · Training, use and care minimums · Storage and transport minimums · Background checks for buyers AND sellers · Waiting periods · Funding the study of gun violence and its causes · Limiting the killing capacity of the weapons we have · Removal of unwanted guns from society, i.e. buyback and disposal programs Managing the data The country already has dozens of databases of people that are used for screening. NICS, TSA, DHS, travel bans, Law Enforcement at city, County and State levels, the FBI, the ATF and so on. The obvious choice for a database of people that are either cleared to own a gun or people that should NOT have a gun is the ATF. They already have background check processes in place for explosives, fireworks, and they already handle the applications and background checks for those that want to own a fully automatic machine gun. (Yes, you can still buy a machine gun). Note that the ATF background checks are not so much about the types of explosives or fireworks that people have, they are about WHO has them, WHERE and HOW they are stored and transported. And that model appears to work. Information is collected and submitted to the ATF database on criminal history of people. Similar to a security clearance, the standards need to be developed using metrics developed by the study of gun violence – which surprisingly we do very little of today. Mental health issues (i.e. 5150 Psych eval) need to be included in the database, however this poses challenges and definitions are currently vague. What data already exists and what data can be used? Does mentally ill invalidate the ownership of gun all the time? i.e. People suffering from depression are mostly stable, law-abiding members of society with no external issues. Much of the personal medical data available is nto made public through privacy laws – as it should be. The Purchase of Firearms and Accessories If we are wondering how guns go from being ‘legal’ to ‘illegal’, then we need to track the sales and movements of them – from the start to the end of their lives. There is no assembly line by Remington or Glock that manufactures guns for the illegal trade. ALL GUNS are legal at the point of manufacture. They simply fall into the wrong hands with little reporting or recording of how that happens. That needs to change. When a consumer wants to buy a gun (private or dealer) of any kind, that transaction needs to be tracked and recorded for future tracking should that weapon end up being used in a crime. Who sold it, who bought it, when and where. Serial numbers, makes and models, and modifications managed through the same database. Law enforcement agencies, from Municipal Police, the County Sheriffs and State agencies already have access to federal databases for crime history and research. This could easily be expanded to include the firearms access database mentioned in the first section. · The buyer and seller agree to a sale of gun, whether that is a dealer or private. The same is recorded on a standard bill of sale form for such purchases, similar to the 4473 form used today. · The seller brings the weapon to the LEO in the area, or ships it to the LEO where the buyer is located, with the forms and details of the sale. · The background checks are performed by the LEO on the gun, the seller, AND the buyer and approves the transaction if there is no reason to NOT approve the sale. · The buyer receives the gun/accessories from the LEO and the transaction is complete. · Criminal penalties apply to those that circumvent the system or bypass it. · All current weapons in circulation are required to be entered into the database with the owner data, a compliance period and then an enforcement period. · Licensed gun dealers, as they exist today, could be given access to the same online database, and could be the ‘escrow’ for a gun sale, private or dealer, as long as the LEO/ATF/agency is performing the background checks and the ‘all clear’ is given. · Gun show sales can still occur, they pickup-and-drive-away model will go away and people will have to comply with the LEO intervention requirement to complete the sale. · The cost of this is funded through a tax on gun sales or a flat fee per transaction, just like we fund drivers licenses through a fee structure. This solves almost all the issues in one fell swoop. We have addressed the background checks, we have addressed the gun show loopholes, we have addressed the waiting periods, and we have addressed the cost of the system. The convicted felon is NOT likely going to go into an LEO to retrieve a gun that they are trying to purchase, and over time, many of the illegal guns out there will be eradicated from the system, suppressing the flow of legal-to-illegal guns and making it harder and harder for criminals to get their hands on guns. I am not under any illusions that this will take time, but law-abiding citizens will NOT be impacted by this any more than they are to get a drivers license. Capacity of weapons This probably needs to be addressed. The gun lobby does have a point that there is not much different between the scary looking military style AR-15 right out of the box and the Ruger Mini-14 which is a semi-automatic ranch and hunting rifle. One looks like a hunting rifle, and one looks like a military weapon. With a 30-round magazine, they are effectively the same weapon. Limit the magazine sizes, and you limit the killing and carnage capacity of the weapon. We restrict vehicles with throttle controls so they cannot reach excessive speeds, and we limit many things in society. Fertilizer is still available but when you buy a bag, but when you buy 500lbs of it, someone is supposed to notice that you might be making a bomb. At the very least, if you are going to allow large capacity magazines, then you must include them in the database of who is buying them and who possesses them. I suggest that 5 round magazines be set as the limit, and an outright ban on any magazine more than 5 for any center fire rifle. No magazine sizes larger than the manufacturer’s specification for handguns. No third party modifications that increase the capacity of the weapon beyond what is dictated for a particular make or model. (Yes we can actually get to make and model specifications where needed) Bump Stocks Banned, and repossessed. They effectively turn a semi-auto into a machine gun, without calling it a machine gun. The ATF already regulates machine guns and should also regulate these under the same regulations. Any modifications that turn a semi-auto into an auto repeater, need to be banned or regulated under the current ATF permit process. Waiting Periods Generally covered by the LEO involvement through the background check process, however more stringent waiting periods could be attached to the types of weapons. i.e. bolt-action hunting rifle could have a shorter waiting period than a handgun. Handguns have a longer waiting period that could and should involve the training cycle below Training Mandatory training for handgun purchases and assault rifles, demonstrating use, cleaning, handling, storage and transportation as well as marksmanship. Ongoing re-certification every few years to maintain. Few people have a problem with trained individuals being allowed to carry in our society. Current classes in Florida for Concealed weapons are 3-4 hours long. That is NOT enough time for someone to be considered competent to carry a deadly weapon or to be able to react in any given situation. I propose training that includes actual self-defense scenarios, decision making processes and actual shooting range training similar to Police practical training before anyone should be expected to be the judge, jury and executioner in any given situation. Sorry but I do not trust the average citizen to pull out a gun and affect a situation where lives are on the line. But I do if they are properly trained for those situations. Buy-Back Programs Given the cost to society of the gun violence that we see, the government should fund the buying and destroying of unwanted weapons in our society. There are probably tens of millions of guns that are sitting in drawers and closets that have outlived their usefulness or purpose, that owners have mostly forgotten that they own. These are some of the guns that fall into the wrong hands by giving them to friends and family, or through break-and-enter theft. Reasonable cash value purchases and offers by LEOs, funded by the tax dollars that already go to cover the massive costs of gun violence, are used to buy back the guns, which MUST be destroyed, not re-sold back into society. The number of guns in the country is part of the problem, reducing the numbers down to the owners that really want to own a gun is important. This will help to reduce the numbers of ‘spontaneous’ violent acts resulting from drug and alcohol induced events, domestic violence, anger-related disputes and accidental shootings within family units. Arming Teachers and increased security at Schools No, we should not arm teachers. Children are in a learning environment. Teachers should not be engaging in gun battles, nor should they be expected to take a bullet for your child or mine. The root cause of the problem with recent mass shootings is not the lack of security, it is the ease of which massive killing power is available to people without ANY checks whatsoever to their ability or stability in owning these weapons. And the gun lobby has fought for and encouraged such access over a few decades now – we are reaping the results of those efforts. Increased security, sure, but who pays for that? I suggest that the gun owners and proponents pay for the increased security costs through taxes on gun or ammunition purchases. Much like pilots pay for the infrastructures that support aviation through fuel taxes.

yeah well here is what we do know, Police will not stop the shootings, Uvalde and Parkland and others - they failed completely 'Law-abiding responsible gun owners' will not stop it (this shooting, Sandy Hook and others where parents and others were directly negligent) Your average gun toting citizen who is carrying 'to protect me and others from carnage' will not stop them (El Paso Walmart shooting in Texas.... there is NO WAY that no one in that store was not carrying, it is Texas after-all) More guns is NOT making us any safer - that is demonstratively false. Open and concealed carry is not stopping the problem. Basically the gun lobby is one giant propaganda-spouting lie, but no one seems to care, because after-all, it is America and even the liberals like their guns and will not offer up anything in the way of effective legislation. Pro-life my ass. The biggest farce of all.

Out of curiosity, what do you expect to happen should Harris win? Please give some specifics - I'd like to come back in 4 years and see how accurate you were.

Facts: Trump/Pence increased debt by $7.8 trillion Biden/Harris increased debt by $6.2 trillion (so far) - extrapolating that through the final four months of his presidency gets us to $6.8 trillion Trump would be a disaster for the debt; Harris would be a bit better. As always, sorry about the facts.

We have all these groups of …. For Harris. Now that Dick Cheney has endorsed her and Pence says he isn’t voting for Trump we need a Republican VP’s for Harris group.

It is worth remembering that, aside from having a functioning sense of honor and duty to the country and Constitution, Liz Cheney's political views are anathema to any vaguely leftist or centrist government. She's significantly more hardline than Attila the Hun. She makes Margaret Thatcher look like that hippy chick you hooked up with at a Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament rally in the '70s. The fact that she's not willing to help overthrow a duly elected government in order to impose her policies on a nation that didn't vote for them really should be more of a 'bare minimum expectation' thing.

All the media is covering both nominees now. The only real difference is one of them is difficult for his supporters to find anything positive to say about him. The Kamala critics corner thread is full of very watery weak sauce. I’m starting to detect some thread drift again. Let’s keep on cheering for team K and The Coach. Let’s not get distracted from the mission by answering trolls.