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No one is arguing about the flight path except people working backwards with an agenda. I’m with Flyjack…what I’m writing isn’t for you but for future researchers. 1) The Air Force provided the entire flight path from Seattle to Reno within a day of the hijacking. When an aircraft was squawking “3500” (hijacking), then our national radar defense system (SAGE) automatically recorded that particular aircraft location on a hard drive. The aircraft was pinged every five seconds during this procedure. This was the most sophisticated radar and computer ever devised to that point. It cost more than the Manhattan Project to produce. 2) We have the testimony of all 3 members of the flight crew. They flew down Victor-23 airway. They noted that Cooper jumped as they were approaching Portland. 3) We have the testimony of the Air Traffic Controller, Cliff Ammerman, who was at the Auburn Station and directed 305 from Seattle to Portland. He has said numerous times that Flight 305 never left the confines of Victor-23. He has also said that he distinctly remembers the southwest turn it made at the Battle Ground VORTEC. We also have the testimony of the Air Traffic Controller in Portland Tower who said that 305 was about 1 mile east of the centerline of V-23. Every bit of this data has to be wrong and all of these witnesses have to by lying for an alternate flight path to be a reality.

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The microfilm request is currently being processed and should be here within the next two weeks or so. The recent discussion about the activities on the ground the night Cooper jumped was extremely thought provoking. He may have been more prepared for whatever conditions he might have encountered than what we would otherwise assume. For instance, the brown, ankle-length, not-the-tie-type shoes he wore were what they used to call demi-boots. These are from the 1969 Penney's Fall/Winter catalog. They're on the lower right side of the page, next to the guys playing hockey. (Page 322, number 6). The official description is found on the next page. Number 6. Warmly lined buckled boots. Comfortable strap-and-buckle boots. Handsome grained leather uppers. Soft, warm pile linings. Cushion-crepe rubber outsoles and heels. Goodyear welt construction. Sturdy steel shanks. Shipping weight. 3.50 lbs. $13.88 They're kind of pricey, but seem to be well made. Classy enough to wear to wear on the plane yet rugged enough to trek across exurban Vancouver on a rainy night after the jump. What's also interesting about these particular shoes is that the Goodyear welt construction means that they could be resoled if you think that the corrugated boot print at the Heisson store came from Cooper. Then there's the suit. It *could be* brown suiting material with thin black stripes was not as common as one might expect. This jacket is from the early to mid 60s. It's made by Haspel as part of their Sir Perior line of drip-dry suits and sports jackets. It's not the same one as Cooper wore because the lapel is different, but the material may be the same, or very similar. If Cooper's suit really was drip-dry, it would make it that much easier to wash if he needed to clean up in a hurry and on the go.

No. A public education in a red state may not be worth poo - but public education in many other states is quite good. When I was at MIT (the hardest STEM school in the country to get into at the time) more than 2/3 of the students came from public schools. These schools tended to be in Massachusetts, Vermont, Virginia, Maryland, Delaware - because those states spend a lot on their public schools and make education a priority. Liberals support public education because they know that these are the people who will be voting and leading industries in 20 years, and having an education will make them smarter, better informed people. Education levels improve outcomes at all levels - decreased suicide risk, lower levels of alcoholism and addiction, higher overall income, higher income at the time that couples have children, lower incarceration rates. And that's good for society. Conservatives oppose public education because educated voters tend to not vote for conservatives, and keeping people ignorant makes them more compliant. You're not going to be able to convince someone with a BS in any technical field that the Earth is flat - but to a high school dropout, the "round earth theory" is just an opinion. "If you can't question the science IT'S NOT SCIENCE!" It's bad for society - suicide rates go up, broken homes are far more common - but it helps conservatives stay in power. And the worse society gets, the more conservatives can blame liberals for the results of conservative policies. It's worked for them so far. As we move into the future, public education will become more and more critical. China and India pour huge amounts of money into education because they know that in 20 years, these are the people who will make or break China, India and the US. We are rapidly becoming a country with the highest labor rates in the world and the lowest technical skills in the world - and that's a recipe for disaster. But hey, at least Trump can blame Biden for it!

Free public education was a critical engine of America’s industrialization and economic dominance. It provided a population that was more qualified than before, so that this (at the time) remote country with huge resources could change its largely rural economy into a world-class one. Roosevelt was a huge proponent for public education. It’s not perfect, because my mandate it has to serve everyone. But if you look at countries with significantly more two-tiered educational systems, they all have even greater economic division than the US. Unless you think you’re already one of the elites, that’s not opportunity as it has been considered to be in America Wendy P.

I'll agree with you.A public education aint worth poo, and Not all boys are blue. I don't want to disrespect Joeweber in kind, so i'm wondering if you thought this inappropriate, educational or just fattie erotic. with a southern draw and Deliverance playing in the background, some are being educated to the concept of "pubic education" lol

Worst states in public education, 2023: (ranked by score) #50 Arizona #49 Louisiana #48 Nevada #47 New Mexico #46 Alabama #45 South Carolina #44 Oklahoma #43 North Carolina #42 Florida https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state

They all corroborated a Southern flightpath. None East. So, they all have to be in on a big conspiracy.. not after the fact but real time. There was no dispute about the flightpath. We know who created the map and the raw data isn't available because it is Sage stuff that needs to be converted to Lat/Long. Reca had no witness for a flightpath. NONE. The Cowboy can't prove it was Reca he met in Cle Elum and can't prove how the person he met got there. He met some guy that he claimed looked like Reca. Reca is a made up story... Laurin coached Reca for the tapes but got so many things wrong it is a joke.. Remember Reca wanted to jump out the side door and didn't even know there was a rear airstair... Reca wanted to jump out the rear side door right into the engine.. that is because Laurin didn't realize that when he read the demands he screwed up,, Cooper asked for the rear door to be open and he meant the bulkhead door to the airstairs.. not the side door. That is why Reca got it wrong, Laurin misunderstood and gave him the wrong info. The Reca narrative has so many errors in it,, anybody who even entertains it as even possible does not have a grasp on the evidence in this case. Reca being Cooper is 100% BS.

BTW - to the inspecting rigger... <HINT> You can only actually find broken inner bands and dropped stitching by taking the safety stow out of the freebag and... um... INSPECTING it... </HINT> Just sayin... JW

Echo this. I have a 135 that I load at about 1.8, and it has never given me trouble but I am very mindful of deploying flat and stable. I've always pro packed it and never done anything weird or special compared to other canopies, and I am not a particularly careful packer. I've also used it for training camps with overworked packers getting me onto short calls, real "turn around and don't watch, good now here's your rig" situations. Body position > packing magic, IMO.

This is the referenced man walking.. Might be the same incident,, if not it is interesting on its own,, Why take Polaroid film? Is there some alternate uses for Polaroid film,,,, it has silver???

Chris Broer found this from the Longview paper on 11/25/71. I have a hard time believing this isn’t the burglary that we’ve been attributing to the Heisson Store. I realize the 302 says 10 miles south of Merwin Dam but this has to be the same crime. This is about three miles away from the site where the girl saw the man walking down the road.

Here was TK’s response on the fb group last night.

Also, Tom Kaye posted this to the Facebook group about a month ago...

Both Grinnell interview transcripts have been made available on the Facebook group. I asked Mr. Grinnell about whether the bundles were randomized (some with five, some with four, some with three, etc.). He said that he didn't see them close enough to know for sure if they were randomized or if they were the standard five packet bundle. He did say that the ransom money was kept in a safe within the vault in bags containing paper-strapped packets of various denominations and that money was then removed from those bags and packaged together. He cannot say exactly how those packets were bundled - only that typically they were bundles of five paper-strapped packets secured on either end by rubber bands. The upshot is that Mr. Grinnell explained clearly the standard operating procedure for bundling money (five paper-strapped packets secured on either end with rubber bands), but also said that he could not say for sure that was how the Cooper money was bundled. He left open the possibility that due to the emergent nature of the situation, bank employees bundled the money more quickly and thus differently than the SOP. It doesn't provide a clear answer, I know, but I think it's reasonable to assume that the money provided to Cooper on the plane was same as was found on Tena Bar.

Mac had goggles and was able to see forward. I specifically asked him about this point. He said he looked all around him including forward.

My belief is that Cooper was winging his drop zone. Having spoken extensively to an individual who in fact winged his own DZ (McNally), I think it makes perfect sense for Cooper to have jumped in the Battle Ground to Orchards area. It’s a sweet spot. He’s close enough to civilization to make an easy escape but not so close that he risks landing on top of a police car. Despite it being cloudy, Cooper would have been able to see that blob of light in the distance and would have known that was Portland/Vancouver. From speaking to Jim McClellan recently (pilot of the infamous “light aircraft”), he said that, in general, the combined glow would have started to be visible from 10,000 feet in cloudy conditions roughly around the Battle Ground area. He also indicated that La Center gave off no light footprint whatsoever through the clouds. He said flying over La Center back then above the clouds was just darkness beneath you. He said BG and Orchards would have given off enough light to penetrate the clouds in those days. So if Cooper jumps as soon as he sees Portland lights and with some lights beneath him (so he knows he isn’t jumping into a lake or super heavy woods) then BG to Orchards is really ideal and fits with what I was told by a pilot who flew every day in that area. According to McClellan, Cooper would have been jumping totally blind to what was beneath him if he jumped near the Lewis River, plus that was too early to have seen lights of Portland from 10,000 feet in the clouds. I believe Cooper first starts going down the stairs just based off of dead reckoning. He knows that they must be approaching Portland by that time.

Yes, I was thinking he had a compass. He took a pocket knife out, so not too far of a stretch to think he had a compass. Heck, I believe there were watches that had compasses built in even back in the 60s/70s. Maybe he had it in his pocket the entire time, and put it on once he sent Tina to timeout up in the cockpit. (All speculation of course, but within reason) Maybe he even had a small flash light, hidden in the brief case or the pink/green bag ;-) If he came across rail road tracks or a road, that would be ideal. I know they always say if your lost to follow a stream to civilization. It wouldn't be easy, but if we think that he wasn't just and average guy, maybe had some type of military background, I think he could manage with the head start he had. With a major injury, all bets are off. But I think he either had prior personal knowledge of the general area, i.e. Washing/Oregon state, or he prepared himself as part of the mission. ("right place and right time" comment). So he would have had a working knowledge of the geography, roads etc. Perhaps your right about Mexico, anything is possible, I can't get there though. I just can't get over why he wouldn't choose a flight closer to Mexico if that was his plan. But I haven't studied the details enough, maybe there weren't flights closer with a 727....I know a few years back you and probably some others were looking into all of the flights with 727s in that time period.

Crew could see the lights of Portland.... Portland and Vancouver would blend together into one mass of light.. Current light. in 1971 it would be less but Vancouver and Portland are one blob. Cooper would not have jumped into an urban lit up area...