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Rather than talking in circles,, let's look at the source documents. This was the very first memo indicating the crew's statement to the FBI. It was likely sent within a couple of hours after touchdown at Reno: This the the 302 typed up days later using notes taken within an hour of the hijacking: : Now, I don't know anything from anything, but it seems like the crew is referring to Vancouver here, not Ariel. Not Battle Ground. Not Heisson. Not Brush Prairie. Not Orchards. I've spoken to multiple locals, including those who lived in the area in 1971, and including pilots, and they all say - to a person - that these descriptions could only refer to Vancouver. No one, not even a pilot travelling at 165 knots would describe Lake Merwin or Battle Ground or Orchards as "within or in proximity of Portland" or "not yet...Portland proper, but...definitely in the suburbs or immediate vicinity". To underscore this point, is this video, done by Shutter, indicating that anything resembling Portland or its suburbs would be far south of the original DZ. Finally, in speaking with a local pilot, she said that Vancouver/Portland "sneaks up on you" especially in bad weather. So, if we want to get our panties twisted up about a jump near Battle Ground, we should look at the primary sources and what they mean.

A continuous supply of red meat keeps the bellies full when the minds are empty.

What's fascinating to me is that if they DID get the DZ wrong (let's say it was between BG and BP), how many potential leads and stories have we missed out on? What tips and information might have been revealed if agents were canvassing homes in the Battle Ground area instead of La Center? Imagine a scenario where a gas station clerk in Orchards allowed an oddly acting man to use the phone that night, but opted against reporting it because the FBI’s focus was on an area ten miles away. Stuff like that. Interesting to speculate what we may have missed.

22 years is not enough. I hope the DOJ can appeal all these sentences as being too light. All should get 25 years minimum.

Attacking the flight path is absolutely ludicrous given the evidence, but there is some wiggle room on the DZ regarding the whole oscillations vs. pressure bump issue/possible conflation, etc. Some of us interpret the same data you have differently and that shouldn't be a problem. Orchards is as far south as I'm comfortable placing his jump and I believe the farthest south you are willing to go is Battle Ground (don't let me misquote you there), and that's ok to disagree. None of us here are mouth breathers and we have all reached certain conclusions based on our independent research and interpretations of the evidence that exists. It goes back to the agenda discussion. I have no agenda whatsoever regarding Cooper's DZ. If the way I interpreted the data led me to the conclusion that he jumped over La Center or whether it led me to believe he jumped over Orchards, then so what? Why would I care? Why should anyone have a motive regarding his DZ? This is why I've never really understood why people have so vehemently argued about his DZ. It's not something that will help us find Cooper. It's merely intellectual case knowledge. It's arguing for the sake of arguing. We'll never know precisely when he left the aircraft so it has never struck me as something worth fighting over. If I reached the conclusion that he jumped over Brush Prairie and you say he jumped over La Center, so be it. What does it matter, ya know? Arguing flight path is a different issue. Promoting an alternative flight path DOES have consequences. I wish that Eric had placed the same effort with the media that he just displayed about Tena Bar and WFP along the actual flight path. I'm guessing 99.9% of Clark County residents who know anything about Cooper think he jumped near Ariel, which is understandable. Now, if they see Eric on TV talking about Cooper landing near TB, they may be convinced that Cooper jumped over in that area. If people living in Vancouver up to Battle Ground knew that Cooper actually jumped in their neck of the woods, then who knows, maybe someone would be motivated to go hiking through the woods of their backyard and just happen to find something. Eric does an excellent job of keeping the story alive with the media. That exposure is very beneficial for the case because as long as it's still in the public eye then someone might happen to remember something about a great uncle, etc., and come forward. Placing so much focus on Tena Bar doesn't help, sadly.

In re-reading my original post, I see that it comes off as unnecessarily aggressive. Wasn't my intention, and I apologize to everyone. My point stands, however. The initial crew statements indicate a jump much closer to Portland than the original DZ.

First thing is, that is from a summary.. 302's are investigative notes, not conclusions. You have to look at all evidence. It is not the actual interview with the crew. It is notes taken by an FBI agent then summarized. Isolating a single vague phrase isn't enough. Portland may have been used as a general reference in the context for a flight from Seattle to Reno.. it could have been used by the agent since we don't have the actual crew statements. They speculated hijacker familiar with Seattle - Portland generally.. probably parachuted closer to Portland.. that is how I read that. Also, from that summary, they (the crew) speculated AT THE TIME that hijacker left the plane AND oscillations reported to Northwest headquarters. Some have claimed the crew didn't believe Cooper had jumped.. here they speculated at the time that he did. So, clearly they thought he did but weren't sure. This is consistent with other evidence. They also summarized from last comm at 8:05 within (5 to) 10 minutes and PRIOR to Portland, 8:15 is ten minutes later and about Battleground. The crew believed the time of the oscillation was when Cooper jumped. The crew knew the last comm occurred with Cooper but did not know were they were at exactly 8:05.. that was later determined. The big problem with trying to move the FBI DZ 50 years later is that we do not have all the info they had at the time.. Clearly, they had this vague summary and actual crew statements, but the totality of evidence pinpointed the DZ more accurately. It is not unusual for FBI notes to be vague or even contain inaccuracies or conflicts. Soderlind was listening in and taking notes, they had all the info we have and more including access to fresh witnesses. If you want to move the FBI's DZ, you need a lot more than interpreting a vague summary in the notes. There is no known substantive evidence to move the DZ, only speculation. A couple of you guys are trying to move the DZ, challenging the DZ is appropriate but there is no evidence. Moreover, you have less info than the FBI had at the time. Do you really think the FBI did not weigh the actual crew statements in their analysis. The crew had two factual parameters that they believed were timestamped... to help pinpoint the time Cooper jumped/oscillation. The last comm,, and the call to Soderlind (Northwest) 5-10 min later. They likely did not know the times but knew those times were recorded and that it was before Portland. I believe that when Rataczak later learned of the plane's location at 8:05, he concluded Cooper jumped nearer the Lewis R.. about 25 miles N of Portland.. During the initial interview he did not know that information.

A pharmacy? Little too big for that, no? Tina said it was the size of a department store bag for a shirt.

Yet their leader has yet to spend a day accommodated by the department of corrections. The one who ordered them to "stand down and stand by". The one who still enjoys huge support even though courts are sentencing his followers Those same courts have yet to rule that the FBI have run witch hunts to frame trump followers and trump himself.

And why steal boots when you're already wearing them?

Sent Detlor the 302 of the Heisson store and he says he has no memory of that. Bummer.

Australia-based SYPAQ Systems is sending low-cost drones made out of waxed cardboard to Ukrainian forces. They have destroyed a Mig-29 and at least four SU-30 aircraft. They have a range of 75 miles and have a six foot wingspan. They cost $3500 each and Australia is supplying 100 a month. The cardboard/foam construction is almost impossible to see on radar. Well Russian S-400 radar anyway. They come in a dozen per pallet packages. They have shaped downward firing shrapnel charges. Happy birthday president Putin.

Well shirt this is 120 miles longer than ATACMS. President Biden lets move on the ATACMS.