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You're mistaken.

Because it is an amazing business plan.

The problem you have is that religionists do not see their relationship with secularists as a two way street. Worse, they selfishly can not see that already, and without further erosions of secularists freedoms, they have the upper hand. For religionists too much is still not enough; there is no credible pretense of equity and most certainly there is no ethos of live and let live. Now, you are right to be concerned about the opposition. They are eager for actual fairness; a fairness that will cost you and your tenets. Secularists desire strongly to erode the power of religionists to force their beliefs on their children. They want their wives and daughters free from the yoke religionists hang on their necks, like it or not. They are offended that a tax system we should all be subject too equally confers senseless benefits on religious organizations that must be made up out of the pockets of non believers. The list goes on and on. So really, Coreece, thanks for the advice but as do the religious, we don't want to "let it be".

I'm sure there are "very fine people on both sides".

It was a joke, Joe. Choose love.

It is beyond me why anyone would take the cherry picked words from a flawed translation describing the prejudices of a band of neolithic goat herders some 2000+ years ago as a guide to moral rectitude in the 21st Century that they wish to impose on everyone else..

Hi folks, Well, this one will not be doing so: Proud Boy 'Tiny' Toese found guilty on assault, riot, unlawful weapon charges - OPB Jerry Baumchen

Then what's the point of merely repeating what I've just said? You repeated it, albeit with additional assertions that go beyond my original comment. While it may indeed be accurate that certain individuals are unconcerned with morality as it pertains to this issue, others may view morality as a necessary precondition for national prosperity and the avoidance of divine judgement. As I stated in the past, this perspective risks falling prey to the perils of moralism. I recall expressing reservations about this, and if IIRC correctly Ron really didn't wholeheartedly agree with me - but I don't remember specifically in what regard. If individuals are apprehensive about the looming threat of judgement on the country,(and they shouldn't be if we look to psalm 37 for any sense of solace) they would do well to preach the acceptance of Christ, a message which Ron appears to be promoting. I don't see the part about homosexuals recognizing and addressing their sin as necessarily having to do with God's judgement on the country, but rather a means of removing obstacles that may impede their reconciliation with God, should they so desire. Another factor in what? What does that have to do with anything we’ve been talking about? What are you saying - that when Christians claim to be taking their anti-gay stance from the bible they’re actually just mad at Disney? I don’t get it. I'm saying It's a multifaceted issue and not as black and white as some are trying to make it out to be. It cannot be fully understood without examining the complex interplay of social, political, cultural and various religious factors/beliefs. Perhaps some individuals and Christians alike do not hold strong convictions against homosexuality itself, but rather feel uneasy about the social messages that their children are being exposed to. And on top of that, political agendas often co-opt these issues and create narratives in order to garner votes and secure support for ones political and/or religious or non-religious affiliation. It's no secret that politicians use divisive wedge issues to maintain power and influence. Republicans often appeal to religious voters while Democrats appeal to minority groups. However, once these groups become more fluid again, other emotional appeals will likely emerge and continue to divide us. Then what do you think he’s doing, because he’s clearly not simply following the bible. Again, going back to that biblical paragraph you posted, we know that Ron approves of Trump because he’s a greedy swindler, so it’s absurd to suggest he’s against homosexuality just because the same bible passage says so. I already told you what I think he's doing. And I haven't really been around this place over the past couple years so I'm not sure if that's the specific reason he approves of Trump or even believes that. Part of me thinks that just an inference on your part as you often do, and it isn't always fair or accurate. But anyway, given that this two-party system is often seen at as a choice between two evils, arguments like these can be leveled against Christians regardless of who they voted for. It's a catch-22 scenario that poses a loaded question. What's with your obsessive preoccupation with Ron anyway, lol. It's not my intention/desire to discuss/judge specific posters openly in a public forum ad nauseam - I mean a little here and there is ok, but damn dude.

This letter is undoubtedly a fake. He claims not to be a "boasting man" but that is exactly the purpose of the letter.

We really need a sarcasm font. Although I do actually believe what I said. Well, that's one of the 'fun' things about religion. 'God' has the power of whoever speaks for him. So the Pope has power over Catholics. If you look at some of the medieval practices, they used 'the power of God' to do some pretty awful things. And it's not just Christians. The Ayatollah Khomeni did some truly cruel & vicious things in the 'name of Allah'. In fact those in power in Iran are still doing many of those things. Now, I don't believe that 'God' actually exists, so the power isn't really 'his'. It's just (mis)used in his name by some pretty nasty people to do some pretty nasty things. This is not new. Nor is there any sign it's going to end anytime soon.

Given the quotations from that fatally flawed document often quoted in these forums. Used as justification for hatred, racism, bigotry, prejudice, etc. Perhaps its a mistake to associate it with any form of guidance. Despite any representations of positive guidance associated with that book/ religion. Given the posts in this forum. I can find only one SC Christian regular who seems to be absent those negative qualities. BIGUN. Perhaps he doesn't read it.

You hang out with free-fliers?

I'm really beginning to wonder what you got against neolithic goat herders. Some of my best friends are neolithic goat herders.

Actually they found 13 qualified women, but decided that being women was disqualification enough. Link. I'm sure you can find disqualifying information about each of them -- but I'm equally sure you could find disqualifying information about each of the men who was chosen if you looked just as hard. If you look, you can find disqualifying or qualifying information about lots of people for nearly every job in the world. Prejudice is cherry picking that information because you're either too lazy or too whatever to actually come up with a truly unbiased way to measure. That would require questioning one's own motives. Wendy P.

Strong possibility he had an underbite. Springsteen has one and his lips look a lot like the sketch lips.

Not to spoil the party but I've hired a lot of lawyers and have had to deal with opposing lawyers too many times. Never once have I been in court or sat for a deposition and wished I'd brought my plumber instead. My experience tells me that most people hate lawyers because they really don't know what lawyers do. They aren't mind readers and they don't need new friends. Yes, they'll listen to your sad story and patiently wait until you are through emoting but all of that will be on the bill you think is outrageous. Instead, learn about the law as it applies to your situation before you sit down at your meeting. Treat it like an advanced class and show up with a paginated notebook with as many of the appropriate documents you could find that you have also read and tried to understand. (I always send that notebook in advance so the meeting is efficient and focused) Be prepared to hear what you do not want to hear and above all else be prepared to do what you are told to do. If you don't like what you hear try another attorney but no matter that's the way it works.

You and I have reached an age where sometimes pathetic is a good descriptor. When you said I should be ashamed it hit a nerve. If I'm supposed to be ashamed of things the line is long. You'll have to go to the end.