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At the risk of being atopical, in addition to my usual atypical, I think it's important to point out that using your military career to justify your thinking on the value and appropriateness of gun proliferation in America is a cheap play. As has been observed here ad nauseam, albeit necessarily, the United States is the only Western Nation with this problem and in this degree. Of course, the rest of those Western Nations have advanced militaries and a lot of retired veterans just like you and they seem to get along just fine, no better than fine, without our Second Amendment gun culture insanity and the consequent carnage against their own citizens. So thank you for your service but now let's all get to the position of enjoying that which you were, ostensibly, protecting: a safe, civil society.

Evidence suggests the money/bands were in a hot environment in 1972, maybe as high as 100F, probably being protected by the bag. Next comes diatom exposure during some year, probably at Tena Bar during some spring-summer cycle, before Feb 1980. This requires Tom or somebody to try and date the diatoms to a specific year, perhaps using Ca/Na data Tom collected ? In order to do that Tom's diatoms have to be compared to a larger survey of Columbia diatoms for the period 1970-1980. At some point the Ingram bundles separated from the bag by some event, probably at Tena Bar. Cook spread the rumor that he had found two people who also found Cooper money at Tena Bar prior to the Ingram find. If true, those people need to offer their money so it can be compared to the Ingram bills. Likewise, fragments found in 1980 need to be found and examined, and compared to the Ingram bills for any differences,. Without developing new-reliable forensic evidence, this matter will spin around and around forever on DB Cooper forums! The time is going to come where DBC conventions are empty and pointless, if that hasn't already arrived. Those media events have become as pointless as drinking 32 cups of water per day!

I've always been of the opinion that Coop probably lost the money when he opened his chute. I've wondered though, if he may have decided to rid himself of the money when he saw McCoy get busted with his ransom in his house, dead to rights. That would have been in the spring of 72. If he had already determined that he couldn't spend the money due to the serial numbers being checked, then I could see him ridding himself of it. He wouldn't be the first person to dump evidence in a river. But, as previously stated, burning it would seem a lot less risky. Perhaps, he ran out of matches?

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Vultures are different from Buzzards but they are often conflated.. Washington State has both. I found this area and it is a bit far from the flightpath.. 12-13 miles East.. circling buzzards/vultures is common.

There's another angle to this too. The VFR cloud clearance exists to separate VFR and IFR traffic, not just to ensure visibility. There might be planes in those clouds talking to a different air traffic controller who may not know that the plane flying 10000 feet above them is dropping skydivers.

Do you mean by the Justice Department not providing criminal investigation information to the people who are currently under investigation?

I've definitely used the "no body" means he likely didn't die in the jump. Key word is likely. If he jumped over the Pacific ocean, I would not use the same logic of "no body means he likely survived." Or if we knew for sure he landed in a fast flowing river that flowed into the ocean. However, I expect to find a body in the area that he jumped. If he jumped into Chernobyl, then maybe not, given that there were not people living there or searching there. Note: I use the totality of information here to come to a probability that he survived. If $200k was found at Tena Bar, I might lean more towards death than I do. There are just so many things that point to survival. I could argue that he died, but it is a lot harder. Typically the argument that he died uses outliers and other various ways to spin an argument. There are terms that exist for this, but I'll defer to you Fly on what those are. OleMiss probably knows them too from his experience in law. EDIT: This wiki page kind of gets at what I'm saying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization To summarize: Cooper likely planned the jump, therefore he wanted to survive. The leap was not forced on him like say a pilot in a B-17 going down in flames over Germany. He uses a device specially designed for survival (parachute). He jumps in survivable conditions over a flat area in November. In a populated area, not a city, but not wilderness either. We have not found a body. We have only found 3% of the money. This is one of the biggest manhunts in history, and still is today. People hike and walk that area all the time. For all the news, no one has come forward with a missing person that truly could be Cooper. If we were on the Facebook group, we'd get a cliche like "Occams Razor" or "The absence of evidence is not evidence." Oh well. The majority of the information indicates he likely survived. If people were to wager a bet and truly be held accountable to that bet, I suspect they would say he lived. So what is happening is that people like to say he died, when in reality they should be saying "maybe he died." I say he "likely lived" not "maybe he lived"

I think they have to be close to the guns to work. I have lthousands of rounds of ammunition in my ASP (ammo supply point) and a dozen+ guns in my armory (gun safe) and although they are on the same floor there is no carnage. I hesitate to put them any closer as a mass shooting would surely result. (According to many on this forum)

Balderdash. A body does not just explode into obliteration like a water balloon on impact. It's more like a sack full of steaks, sausages and bones. Sure, stuff breaks, cracks, splits, leaks, and what-not. But the body as a whole usually remains pretty much intact. Even on hard-as-concrete sun baked desert dirt. If Cooper went in, it might be grim and gory, but he would be laying there easily recognizable as a body, still in the rig and his clothes.

Of all the things related to this case, the one I most wish I wasn't able to say I know something about, is this one. It turns out it's the one thing I have some "expertise" on. Without going into too much detail, there just wouldn't be much to find. The best reference point I can give is when David Letterman used to chuck stuff off a 5-story tower. Remember that almost none of it landed with a "thud," like in the movies. In fact, the whole point of that schtick was to watch what actually happened to the stuff. Human bodies are essentially water balloons. There's not much holding us together. An impact in a car at 40mph is plenty enough to kill us. What happens to us after a fall at terminal velocity is not pretty, and doesn't leave much over. It's not like in the movies. I see the "auger" statement made here; that is not how physics works. We are the water balloon, the earth is the brick wall. That energy has to go somewhere. It goes into the water balloon. It is not the slightest bit unimaginable that this happened under some brush, and by the time the spring or summer came around, anything organic was eaten by animals and anything else was covered over by debris. The point is, a body not being found does not in any way mean one didn't fall there. The more rare outcome would be to find one.

I used to think it was more likely Cooper died, now less likely. The jump was very survivable if he pulled based on jump data. Hard to imagine he couldn't pull. Possible but not likely. No body was found and you have to move the LZ further South to have him land in the Columbia, the evidence does not support this. It is also hard to imagine Cooper intentionally jumping over a city. If he landed in Lake Merwin or the Lewis the TBAR money gets very hard to explain. So, for Cooper to have died, his body would have to be undiscovered with the chute but the money somehow got moved to the Columbia River and TBAR.. of course that is possible but less likely. Cooper could have landed safely with the money,, if for example,, he paid some random guy for a ride,, the guy gets nervous and tosses the money in the River... or he gave money to a stew and that money ended up in the River.. IMO, the most likely is Cooper landed safely between the Lewis and Battleground and either lost some/all of the money or he gave some to somebody at some point. That money ended up in the Columbia.

If the money came from the river it would have to be by way of the dredge. The money is going to stay on the bottom of the river and is simply not going to get above the nominal tide line by flooding. The only way that flooding can move the money is by moving it from a higher elevation to the elevation that it was found at Tena Bar and the money's movement has to be downhill all the way. For the money to move up hill requires an intervention by a dredge or some other mechanical means that adds energy to the money. This is elementary physics.

Thanks, Canada, for another nothing burger. Border Patrol vehicles are in real demand in Ukraine, same as ice fishing shacks. 200 armored taxi's to fight against Russia, you must be so proud of your Country and your military.

Angry enough to shoot somebody, I'd reckon

Bill, if a smart guy like you cannot get it then I despair of convincing others. I'll try a single last time: it's not the gun laws in America, it's the gun culture in America. A gun culture that allows this sort of thing to be normalized or explained away by apologists:

A huge loss to the sport and to many of us fortunate to know him as a Friend, we last spoke on the Sunday before his accident, life is short, enjoy ti while you can.

Backing Jerry Baumchen. Follow the container manufacturers' advice. At Rigging Innovations, I was the rigger test-packing all the newly-arrived canopies and deciding which combinations we could recommend. Meanwhile, Sandy Reid was on the far side of the room stuffing newly-arrived canopies into a PIA volume measuring cylinder. We were in the dry desert of Southern California. The manufacturers that I disagreed with were base din humid Florida where everything pack sone size smaller. What passes for a comfortable fit in Florida is almost a struggle in the dry heat of the Southern California desert.

Yeah, there you go using facts again. The simple reality is that they absolutely refuse to believe that their hateful rhetoric has ANYTHING to do with this, or any other attack. They then have to create some sort of 'fairy tale' (pun not intended) that the Alt-Right attacker, who was fed all the lies and fantasies about Pelosi 'destroying' the country, instead was a 'gay prostitute'. They then deny that they are 'programmed'.

I've made my own 3D printed mount that has been going strong for over a year and a half now (originally made for the AS15). Printed in ABS plastic it's strong as hell. If anyone has access to a 3D printer I have the files available for free download at http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:394641 It wouldn't take much tweaking to fit a G3.