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Great episode.. will be a classic.. I wanted to interrupt so many times.. Cigarette butts were destroyed not lost per FBI file. Cooper's initial demand was airstairs lowered inflight. Later changed. Dan Cooper comic was published in Mexico in Spanish for Latin America... Bonus points for rejecting Ulis's western flight path. and the chutes,, what about the two backpack cards, one was the chute Cooper used... plus Cossey's serial lying, the FBI was looking for the wrong chute. Larry said they were going to go out over the water even going to Reno,,, remember Cooper rejected SF and LA because they were large airports, why if he was jumping in PNW.. Interesting that the tie is considered useless now,, that is the only way to get a 100% solve.. Larry will get a big surprise when my research comes out... I don't do facebook, Larry should post here, the crazy people are gone.

Another true pioneer of Sport Parachuting.

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Georger: I'm with you on this one. As I was listening, I realized that Larry Carr was referring to the tried and true methods of law enforcement, which were knocking on doors and the belief that criminals get caught because they talk. Apparently this is the case most of the time, but clearly the DB Cooper case did not go that way, so the knocking on doors and waiting for someone to talk just may not have worked out. Larry actually says in the podcast that there were sort of two groups in the FBI, one was the "knuckle draggers" his words, the former street cops it sounded like, and the other was a group that focused more on long term investigations, warrants, etc. That makes sense from people I've talked to and friends in different agencies. The ones who wanted to do the tactical stuff leaned more towards city police, or DEA, and the higher level investigative work interested people who went into the FBI or State Police. I am generalizing here, but it sounds like Larry is more of the former, wanting to do bank robbery and the hardcore law enforcement work, but he got stuck on domestic terrorism to start. I can relate in that I prefer a field job to a desk job, or at least I did when I was younger. In 1971 I think they thought they would catch him, so looking into every suspect made sense, but in hindsight that was looking for a needle in a haystack. Edit: I feel like the FBI was looking at Cooper as a lifetime criminal who had done crimes before and would act like a crook and tell his buddies about the crime or brag to some person in a bar. But what if this was Cooper's only crime and what if he never told anyone, except maybe his wife or his accomplice? If that was the case, then waiting for someone to talk is futile.

Incoming slight diversion, but I think found evidence of a third body found in/near the dropzone during the search in the latest 302's... a 16 year old male named James Annis (page 103), identified via dental records. The others from what I've gathered were a 20-something male with no teeth available for identification and a young girl discovered under different circumstances, so all three were presumably different people.

I have yet to see any information about a systematic way to check bills or that they were even doing it. The NCIC has been around for over 50 years. There would have to be a situation where someone took an actual bill, then ran it through the NCIC. I could see something in the late 90s or 2000's being more automatic using computers are a program to recognize serial numbers, but it still seems very manual. By the 90s most of these bills would be out of circulation. If they were spent overseas, at some point some of those would end up back in the states too. I just find it very hard to fathom that someone would have this money and not spend some of it. Some kid finding the money actually makes sense. Like most things in this case, there are a range of odds/probability. Money washes out to sea? Possible. Low chance. Money is still out there? Possible. Very low chance. Cooper got away with the money? Possible, higher chance. Someone found the money: Possible, higher chance. If one believes that the money left the area by hand (Cooper, some kid), then we have a very cool character who does not spend any of it. If it were me, I might spend a little of it to enhance my life. Eating out, gas, gifts, whatever. Little things. If you're a blue collar worker making $5 an hour in 1971, a few extra $20s can go a long way.

Listened to Schaefer's interview of Larry Car. Thought it was a good interview and more in depth than expected. I wish Carr would come here for questions but assume he will only go with his friend Eric Ulis at Ulis' private Facebook Group. Ulis of course does not allow people he does not like to participate in that group! That is a mistake on Carr's part for many-many reasons! Let me get to specifics: 1. Nothing on paper vs rubber bands on the money. I hope Carr would finally clear that up but I guess not .... 2. To me Carr represents a clear middle ground on the Cooper case. He stressed only 'actionable' information. Again I see this as part of his middle ground practical approach. Which I agree with ... my bias. 3. Darren mentioned Tom's diatom work - obviously Carr didnt know much about it. But Carr stresses he believes in a Washougal Washdown option, which I had never heard him emphasize before. He mentioned an early FBI interview with one of the pilots saying they were east of V23 when the bump happened, which is interesting. This may be where Himmelsbach got his strong belief (with Jerry Thomas) in the Washougal theory. I had no idea Carr subscribes to it too. Carr's new report on this may stir a new search for bones in the Washougal? Then several things clicked for me, I had never connected Spring floods in the Washougal with Tom finding "spring time diatoms on the money:. Is there a connection? Maybe Himmelsbach was on to something after all ? Maybe new work for TK ... new dots to try and connect? Interesting side note to Carr's interview I had never considered before. 4. DNA. Cigarette butts and hair sample gone. 'Tie offers too many dna options' - too many people handled it ? That's a new on on me. Carr leaves the impression that he really doesn't know too much about dna or genetic science. I urged Carr at Dropzone (2008?) to not give up on dna science. He evidently did not take it or me seriously! Carr needs to sit down with a good dna forensic expert and have a conversation, to explain Carr what options are actually left in 2022 - a topic Eric Ulis knows zilch about! A topic Tom Kaye may not be fully current on! Carr could find somebody in private industry who could summarize the options still available to the FBI for genetic testing of the tie - or Carr could ask an expert at Quantico. Experts in both places switch back and forth regularly as employment opportunities change! Its obvious to me Carr never thought dna was important or timely. Maybe the issue needs to be updated and addressed again, seriously. It is rumored Kaye has two dna samples from the tie left that were never tested? What happened to those? Or should we just let this whole issue slide through the cracks again like the cigarette butts and hair sample did? You only get so many chances in Life to correct past mistakes! Good interview. Thought provoking.

I remembered the time I took my daughter out for her first drink. Off we went to our local bar only two blocks from the house. I got her a Guinness. She didn’t like it, so I drank it. Then I got her a Killian’s. She didn’t like that either, so I drank it. Finally, I thought she might like some Harp Lager? She didn’t. I drank it. I thought maybe she’d like whiskey better than beer so we tried a Jameson’s; nope! In desperation, I had her try that 25 year old Glenfiddich. The bar’s finest scotch. She wouldn’t even smell it. What could I do but drink it! By the time I realized she just didn’t like to drink, I was so drunk I could hardly push her stroller back home!

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Hi kleggo, I remember seeing that ad back then and thinking, 'He could not be more right.' Jerry Baumchen

And, since I owned an old SST as a backup rig, it very, very, quickly went to just being called a Racer. SST was just so you knew who it came from. Wendy P.