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Accelerated Free Fall in the USA. Progression Accelere’ en Chute Libre = progression accelerated in free fall. Some Quebec DZs called it Accompanied Freefall ... which made the most sense to me. Progressive Freefall in most of Canada All similar programs and all tailored to how fast the student learns. I have done hundreds of PFF jumps as a reserve-side instructor (aka training wheel) where my primary task was holding the student stable until they recovered from sensory over-load ... usually 5 seconds after exit. As soon as they announced a (portable) wind tunnel was coming to Vancouver, I refused to do PFF jumps with students before they had a few minutes of tunnel time. Which brings us back to the OP’s question ..... one-on-one PFF/AFF/PAC etc. is fine as long as the student already has some experience in a wind tunnel. After that, the quality of the student is the biggest variable ... followed by the quality of instructor(s).

So the French term is PAC while the English term is PFF in the CSPA system. PFF and AFF are pretty similar in a general sense. (There are also USPA affiliated DZ's in Canada who will offer the US-style AFF. Perhaps none in Quebec but I'm not sure. The CSPA system works easier there because documents are available in both languages.) Normally PFF in the Canadian system uses 3 jumps that are 2:1. The approved Tunnel variation of that is to do tunnel first, then one 2:1 jump. So that all is in accordance with what you heard about learning to skydive in Quebec. Plenty of good, professional DZ's in Quebec.

Would you all just go Flag Yourselves?

Are Snowflake Republicans going to run out and shoot their starbucks cups and set them on fire like they did over the Nike stuff and the Yeti Cooler outburst?

All the DZ in Quebec will send you to SkyVenture Montreal for 15-20min (time is dependent on DZ) of tunnel after ground school and 3-4 days prior to your first jump. You will be rated at the tunnel to either let you move forward for your first jump or they may ask you to take more coaching in the tunnel. Usually as soon as you can arch in the tunnel you will move forward. Your first jump with 2 instructors is to get the sensory overload out of the way. In freefall you revert very easily to the position you learned in the tunnel. Here again will be a pass or fail depending on the instructor. You will get a full debrief after every jump. At my DZ there are around 100 PAC done every summer and the students obtaining their Solo license usually have a very good base to continue on toward their A license. My biggest recommendation is to choose the right DZ for you and not necessarily the closest one.

I would say it depends on the rest of the training program. Do they have you do more tandems before your first AFF jump? Do they have you do tunnel time? My current DZ does a program that has 2 tandems (after the first jump class) with tasks that must be accomplished & objectives met. Then 10 min in the tunnel. If all goes well, the first AFF jump is one instructor. If the TI or tunnel instructor isn't confident that the student will do well with one instructor, they have the option of doing the first jump with two.

A new priest at his first mass was so nervous he could hardly speak. After mass he asked the monsignor how he had done. The monsignor replied, “When I am worried about getting nervous on the pulpit, I put a glass of vodka next to the water glass. If I start to get nervous, I take a sip.” So next Sunday he took the monsignors advice. At the beginning of the sermon, he got nervous and took a drink. He proceeded to talk up a storm. Upon his return to his office after mass, he found the following note on the door: Sip the Vodka, don't gulp. There are 10 commandments, not 12. There are 12 disciples, not 10. Jesus was consecrated, not constipated. Jacob wagered his donkey, he did not bet his ass. We do not refer to Jesus Christ as the late J.C. The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are not referred to as Daddy, Junior and the Spook. David slew Goliath, he did not kick the shit out of him. When David was hit by a rock and knocked off his donkey, don't say he was stoned off his ass. We do not refer to the cross as the "Big T" When Jesus broke the bread at the Last Supper he said, "Take this and eat it for it is my body." He did not say "Eat me." The Virgin Mary is not called "Mary with the Cherry." The recommended grace before a meal is not: Rub-A- Dub-Dub thanks for the grub, YEAAAHHH GOD! Next Sunday there will be a taffy pulling contest at St. Peter's, not a peter pulling contest at St. Taffy's.

Hi Ken, IMO most peoples of any country are decent people. But, like the squeaky wheel, we notice those who are not more than we notice those who are. Jerry Baumchen

I didn't want to offend the international community that might perceive it as an arrogant display of pride by an ugly American.

Lol, sorry dude, that just doesn't work here. There is no reason at all except for partisan bias that you won't admit that this guy simply made a slip of the tongue and your whole thread is an overreaction. Allow me to contrast two recent events: Democrat says Trans-female instead of trans-male - Turtle starts a thread to call him an idiot and won't accept any other explanation. Trump says there were airports in the revolutionary war - Turtle says he may be inarticulate but people don't give him enough credit for how smart he is. Question - does Turtle treat left and right differently?

I would add that sometimes it's not the person who does something stupid who gets hurt. I've had two good friends killed by other skydivers "just having fun." And in both cases it wasn't something new - these are people that had been talked to several times about the same problem that led to them killing other skydivers, and always answered along the lines of "geez, no one got hurt, what the fuck is your problem?"

Not really responding. It was a leaked cable. It's not like the ambassador tweeted to call him an idiot, he was merely giving his assessment to back home. You would hope that ambassadors could give their honest opinions without fear - indeed that's the point of their position. It's not the ambassadors fault the memo subsequently got leaked.

I'm not sure what they've done to offend you. They likely took a political position on some issue or another. But yes, darn them to pieces anyway. I'm a committed long term coffee lover. And I'm proud to say that I have , not even once, given Starbuck's a nickle worth of business.

[did many people die from these drugged up jumps? ive heard there were a lot more drugs in the sport back then, did that stop relatively quickly with a notable incident or did it just sort of die out? ] We got to the field about noon or so and since it was a crappy day, we started drinking. Well lo and behold it cleared up at about 6 o'clock, so we started getting ready for a lift. Three of us were suited up and we were harassing our fourth to hurry up. Because he seemed to be looking for something we asked what he was looking for?? He started cursing us saying "where did you put my rig" well this put us in stitches and we were roaring just howling with laughter, and he just got more pissed off, returning our laughs with curses. Finally we couldn't take it any more we told him to look on his back!!! he had his rig on all this time. Our pilot said " if you f---ers are to drunk to gear up, your to drunk to jump" So we went to the bar to finish what we had started! D-2626, SCR1999, SCS641, NSCR2350, GW6909 Blue Skies!!!!!!