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jakee 1,566
Quote2 The previous vanquished PF ratings cost $200
Really? Guess they forgot to bill me for mine.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
mccordia 74
QuoteNot stirring the pot ( this timeCool)
Seeing as its the Nth time you express zero interest, yet seem to be the person screaming loudest on the subject (yet dead-silent when it comes to commenting on a fatality that happens on the watch of an 'instructor' with his own made up rating/system.)
Quote1 Time frame: Why does it take two days, What could possibly take two days to teach in regards to WS coaching?
Class sessions (learning to do the actual briefing), repeating and showing those a lot of times. And than also actual examination jumps.
Quote2 The previous vanquished PF ratings cost $200 + some time invested and they are now worthless:
No..far from that. Its amazing how much stuff you manage to get wrong in one line. But seeing as neither applies to you, not worth the time to explain either. People who need to know, know. And all seem pretty happy about it.
QuoteWhat is the motivation to invest the time and money into the current PFC rating when all of those who crafted it are also petitioning the governing bodies to adapt a WSI rating at that level effectively making the current PFC rating worthless once more?
Because there are a lot spineless people who scream very loud when people work on safety, yet completely shut up and look away when bad shit happens. Its only about advocating that a coach can actualy brief and guide someone through a first flight. And not forget half the info, due to him/her having his own style briefing of which he or she thinks its 'okay'.
When at Zhills..talk to Bram from Skydiveratings about his FFC and jump after that. Got put into the biggest suit on the market, went into a high speed spin, and finaly saved his ass 'inventing' an emergency procedure (deploying) due to nothing else working.
And emergency procedure of someone (who had knowledge and training on what he or she should have been briefing) should have told him in the first place.
Piss-poor coaching/instruction. Regardless of the tag you put on it.
Accidents are happening. And a lot (A LOT!) of shit happens that people dont speak up about.
And its about time that stuff isnt allowed to happen anymore.
You only bitch about the things you see happening on the sunny side of town. Look into the dark alleys for a change...you'd understand the reasoning a lot more..
JC
FlyLikeBrick
I'm an Athlete?
FlyLikeBrick
I'm an Athlete?
DSE 5
[edited to remove Glenn's quote]
Not gonna rise to your (again) bait, Glenn, except to say I'll bet $150.00 you cannot pass the PFC course with your current knowledge and/or flying skills.
The days of the Wingsuit Instructor #1"deploy this way and we're on a 10 minute call, suit up" school of wingsuiting doesn't fly, at least not at the DZ's I teach at. Enough people have died due to the "I do OK" method of teaching.
Not gonna rise to your (again) bait, Glenn, except to say I'll bet $150.00 you cannot pass the PFC course with your current knowledge and/or flying skills.
The days of the Wingsuit Instructor #1"deploy this way and we're on a 10 minute call, suit up" school of wingsuiting doesn't fly, at least not at the DZ's I teach at. Enough people have died due to the "I do OK" method of teaching.
I don't know what to say.
Those were two questions I asked almost verbatem as they were posed to me by someone honestly serious about taking the PF coach course. Nothing about me, I'm simply the messenger of the questions. I don't have an interest in this or any prior rating but the person asking was under the impression the old PF rating did cost a few hundred. I could not verify this as, like I said, never had an interest in aquiring any WS ratings personally.
We could consider the first question answered but the second question got personal and I hoped to stay removed. The person has a concern this new revised PFC rating will be obsolete when / if the USPA adopts a WSI rating. With good reason, currently this person is sanctioned by their S&TA to perform First flight instruction.
Those were two questions I asked almost verbatem as they were posed to me by someone honestly serious about taking the PF coach course. Nothing about me, I'm simply the messenger of the questions. I don't have an interest in this or any prior rating but the person asking was under the impression the old PF rating did cost a few hundred. I could not verify this as, like I said, never had an interest in aquiring any WS ratings personally.
We could consider the first question answered but the second question got personal and I hoped to stay removed. The person has a concern this new revised PFC rating will be obsolete when / if the USPA adopts a WSI rating. With good reason, currently this person is sanctioned by their S&TA to perform First flight instruction.
I have no desire to " challenge the course" or we would have talked already. My post was not bait of any kind but a post for a lurker, honest.
I know you guys mean well. I also know you've personaly dealt with mayhem up close and I see there is a lot of general hatred to certain instructors and your critics ( like myself). There is a lot of blaming and pointing.
This question is not for my lurker friend it is 100% me. Are you ready/ prepared to be on the receiving end of a lot of hate and blame if ,god forbid, some new flyer is ever hurt under your care on the level you are dishing out right now. No need to answer just a thought.
I know you guys mean well. I also know you've personaly dealt with mayhem up close and I see there is a lot of general hatred to certain instructors and your critics ( like myself). There is a lot of blaming and pointing.
This question is not for my lurker friend it is 100% me. Are you ready/ prepared to be on the receiving end of a lot of hate and blame if ,god forbid, some new flyer is ever hurt under your care on the level you are dishing out right now. No need to answer just a thought.
jakee 1,566
Quotethe person asking was under the impression the old PF rating did cost a few hundred. I could not verify this
But you then stated it as fact anyway. I think you may have a hard time convincing anyone that you're shocked (shocked!) to be thought of as anything less than a perfect neutral
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
I'll never pretend to be neutral in this matter. I'll never pretend to not be a pot stirrer or part time troll. But not this time I even said don't get bent.
Chuck Blues original course was $300, That I remember. Baxter I heard was charging $200. Monkey was the last PFI I personally new recall getting a rating, don't remember from whom, but I believe he did pay some amount of cash.
Its clear to me I'm the wrong vessel for the question.
Chuck Blues original course was $300, That I remember. Baxter I heard was charging $200. Monkey was the last PFI I personally new recall getting a rating, don't remember from whom, but I believe he did pay some amount of cash.
Its clear to me I'm the wrong vessel for the question.
mccordia 74
QuoteIts clear to me I'm the wrong vessel for the question.
Its even more clear 'some people' would rather look away, and not ask the much more important questions on the same subject. Questionss related to more serious matters in terms of urgency and concequences (past and future).
Shame this subject is always only critisized and discussed under a fake viel of safety and interest, with seemingly no actual intentions to discuss the real matters at hand..
QuoteThis question is not for my lurker friend it is 100% me. Are you ready/ prepared to be on the receiving end of a lot of hate and blame if ,god forbid, some new flyer is ever hurt under your care on the level you are dishing out right now.
Though not aimed at me, Ill reply anyways with the same question back at you. Being a firm advocate of the same 'I dont need no standardized program/training/proof of dicactic skill ot teach someone' and than having a new flyer get hurt due to incomplete actions on your behalf....Will you acknowlegde what happened and learn. Or will you laugh and continue as is...leaving other people to deal with your mess...
Good to see you discuss the matter at hand. Be it aiming it at the wrong person out of fear of 'getting personal'. I guess DSE is not a person..?
JC
FlyLikeBrick
I'm an Athlete?
FlyLikeBrick
I'm an Athlete?
I'm going to type this slow so it is easy to understand.
Two questions, asked by me for a very experienced WS friend who is too busy to post not in anyway questions I will ever have trust this if nothing else. Either of you two could have provided a professional answer, admittedly not that I deserve one but I did have a disclaimer not stirring and not post for myself. Which apparently wasn't taken as face value.
The third question, Mine, isn't directed strictly at Douglas.... its for all of the very vocal haters food for thought. And hypothetically I'm posing it as not a botched or incomplete instruction that turns into a mess. You did your best but something happened.
I never did a half assed course and if I retire now I will have 100% sucess ratio.
Two questions, asked by me for a very experienced WS friend who is too busy to post not in anyway questions I will ever have trust this if nothing else. Either of you two could have provided a professional answer, admittedly not that I deserve one but I did have a disclaimer not stirring and not post for myself. Which apparently wasn't taken as face value.
The third question, Mine, isn't directed strictly at Douglas.... its for all of the very vocal haters food for thought. And hypothetically I'm posing it as not a botched or incomplete instruction that turns into a mess. You did your best but something happened.
I never did a half assed course and if I retire now I will have 100% sucess ratio.
DSE 5
If your friend is too busy to post or email a question, then he's perhaps not a good candidate to become a coach?
dse@dropzone.com
Have him send me an email. I'll cheerfully, professionally, and enthusiastically answer all his questions.
dse@dropzone.com
Have him send me an email. I'll cheerfully, professionally, and enthusiastically answer all his questions.
As a big critic of a program I'm the wrong vessel to relay a few questions and be taken seriously.
The answers thus far do speak volumes BTW. Not to just the original lurker but to all of them.
The answers thus far do speak volumes BTW. Not to just the original lurker but to all of them.
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