PF PHANTOM 2 QUESTION

[KrisFlyZ 0]

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I get it though, a dig at the opposition, eh!***

Not really...its what you'll hear me say to anyone who uses a big comfort blanket/matrass for flying, where even the smallest of wingsuits would suffice to get the performance levels at which they fly..

Regardless if its Stealth2, Xbird or otherwise...

Ok, if we put that aside.

If someone jumps a Big suit in a distance competition and loses to someone of similar physical dimensions flying a suit like a P2, that's a different story. It proves that they need to learn to fly for distance.

In BASE, having range is always good. It could mean the difference between life and death. I'd be a bit reluctant to criticize someone for choosing to be safer. They may simply have one suit for the trip.

To the OP.

***The P2 loves to fly forward. Drop your arms back a little, flatten your body and point your toes. Let you head drop ... at first you'll think you're going down faster, but what actually happens is that the suit picks up a LOT of forward speed and develops more lift to compensate. You notice that your freefall time is about the same, but the distance covered is MUCH greater!

When you have done all that and are cruising, try twisting the wrists skyward slowly and smile. Then post your experience.

[mccordia 74]

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A flying carpet has range. We has to learn how to use it wisely.

If you have the wingload...again, similar to canopies.

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If someone jumps a Big suit in a distance competition and loses to someone of similar physical dimensions flying a suit like a P2, that's a different story. It proves that they need to learn to fly for distance.

It shows they should have spent the money on jumps, instead of the big suit. A lot of things are also more difficult to master in bigger suits.
And especially for skydiving, unless you're a solo flyer, or only jumping with a select group of awesome big-suit flyers, most people dont do ANY formation flying/flocking that even comes close to needing anything more than the starter to mid-range performance suits of each manufacturer.

Again, Im not critisising people who choose to fly bigger suits.
But its a horrible, horrible misconception that you NEED one for everything. Especially in skydiving, I see a lot of people constantly 'upgrade' to bigger and bigger suits, and (most noticeably lighter people) FIGHT to keep up with the forward speed of formations. A bigger suit, also ads more drag, and if you dont have the bodyweight where you need that added surface area, its just better to buy and fly a suit you will always fly in the 75 to 90% range, instead of a huge carpet that is only flown max at breakoff, and is used as a hammock for the entire skydive...

comfort blanket...

JC
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[phoenixlpr 0]

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instead of a huge carpet that is only flown max at breakoff

Max of what?
Max of float?
Max of speed?
Max of distance/glide?

[mccordia 74]

Regardless of what...its the fact that (especially in flocking) a lot of people fly suits that are way overpowered and in some cases completely wrong for their body size/build.

But I understand Im offending some big suit flyers here

JC
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[mccordia 74]

And to add, I fly a big suit A LOT as well.
But I use it for jumps where I need it (flocks with only big suits, flown max) or canopy flyby/relative stuff/time jumps at competitions (Marl this weekend).

But when it comes to flocking, aerobatics and a lot of other aspects of flying, there are suits that (in terms of output in performance) are capable of much more than what people do with them. And even than, a lot resort to oversizes/under-used wingsuits, that actually hinder their flying more than they help.

When used right, with a lot of experience, big wingsuits can do awesome things.
But for some people smaller suits will get them the same flying, only much cleaner, and with more controll and speed (not talking glide ratio, or distance...but talking wingload).

Again..dress for succes...

JC
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[phoenixlpr 0]

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Regardless of what...its the fact that (especially in flocking) a lot of people fly suits that are way overpowered and in some cases completely wrong for their body size/build.

But I understand Im offending some big suit flyers here

I got a chance to fly with Alex. He got some videos what difference can be between a German and a Hungarian Stealth and their fliers

I got a brand new P2 in my bag, I had no time to try it yet.

[mccordia 74]

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I got a chance to fly with Alex.

He actually flew the suit for the first time there, and is new to the 'big suits' as well. And Alex has also had his Stealth2 for a few months only.
In his Ghost and Phantom he is also doing 99,9% of skydiving, and never comes up short in performance. You're talking about max flight performance, where you DO use and need a suit like this. But normal skydiving and a lot of other flying. No..

That aside..when it comes to comparing flyers..you've had your suit for over a year. Its not always the bow..often its the indian (a popular phrase here these days..).
Ive been flying the suit for a lot longer, and can also do slow, fast, flocks and regular freefall in the suit. But still I dont fly the Stealth2 every single jump.

Im talking about selecting a tool for a purpoise.
And Ive done 90% of my last 200 wingsuit jumps on a Shadow/Phantom. And only on weekends like the coming one (Marl) Im grabbing the Stealth2 again. As there is no way Ill even come close to competiting with anyone for max freefall times or distance in a Phantom. There I need a Stealth2. Again..dress for succes.

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I got a brand new P2 in my bag, I had no time to try it yet.

I think you'll like it.
And I hope you understand what Im trying to say. Im not dishing people who own/fly a Stealth.

But just saying: Even though you have a Stealth2 (I have one, and love the suit) or other comparable wingsuit, its not the best suit for every single jump you do.
And in skydiving (when not doing solo performance jumps) you'll notice the P2 is all you'll ever need in terms of flying. or S-Fly or similar performance class wingsuit. And especially for very light people, a big wingsuit can actually hinder their flying more than it helps..wingload vs bodysize...

JC
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