helldog 0 #1 November 18, 2003 the tube stows i purchased are too big for my micro lines. I purchased the small ones but still too big. I need the manufacturers web address or instructions on how to make them smaller. Blue Skies Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #2 November 18, 2003 You don't need them that tight. All the stows are there for is to keep the lines neat while the bag gets lifted off of your back. Having them too tight can only lead to issues like bag locks.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jethers203 0 #3 November 18, 2003 You don't necessarily need smaller tube stows. You can always double wrap the stow around the lines. Only do this if you no for sure the stow will come out. Make sure you have someone at your DZ check it and see what they think. I double stow the lines after the first 3 or 4 stows. I have done this for as long as I can remember and I have never had a problem. Clint D-24352 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 334 #4 November 18, 2003 QuoteYou don't necessarily need smaller tube stows. You can always double wrap the stow around the lines. Only do this if you no for sure the stow will come out. Make sure you have someone at your DZ check it and see what they think. I double stow the lines after the first 3 or 4 stows. I have done this for as long as I can remember and I have never had a problem. Clint D-24352 It's not recommended to double wrap TubeStows around your lines. Maybe better to just get some small rubber bands that work well for your lines. edited to add link to manufacturer installation instructions: http://www.skysystemsltd.com/images/TUBESTOWinstructions.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jethers203 0 #5 November 18, 2003 I agree that small rubberbands would be best. However, I don't think there is anything wrong with double stowing lines for the last couple stows. If they are extremely tight, that could be a problem, but if you know they will unstow without causing a baglock that is different. It is also not recomended to go over the Max Loading for a canopy. You see that all the time though. Just my opinion. I double some stows when I pack and I have never had a problem. Clint D-24352 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #6 November 19, 2003 Quotethe tube stows i purchased are too big for my micro lines. I purchased the small ones but still too big. I need the manufacturers web address or instructions on how to make them smaller. Blue Skies Jim A small instruction sheet is included with each bag of tube stows. There are three installation methods listed - normal, tighter, and tightest. The tightest method loops the stow through itself twice and works better once the stow stretches a bit, especially with 7-cell canopies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #7 November 19, 2003 I make my own tube stows from the bulk silicone tubing you can find in the fishing/sporting goods section of any department store (really cheap per foot). Use a pair of needlenose pliers to turn one end over about 5mm. Insert the closed pliers into the other end and open the pliers to expand the tubing. Now take a pair of hemostats (sp?) or similar instrument used for other purposes to grab the turned over end of the tubing and insert it into the opened end. Carefully slide the tubing off the pliers and you're done. No need to glue anything.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #8 November 19, 2003 I've seen you post that exact sentance 3 times now sundevil. Hope you have it somewhere where you can cut and paste if from. Nice ammount of patience... others would just say "do a search". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base283 0 #9 November 19, 2003 Quote All the stows are there for is to keep the lines neat while the bag gets lifted off of your back. Having them too tight can only lead to issues like bag locks. I disagree: The stows are for holding the D-bag closed until line stretch is acheived so you don´t get the dreaded (inertial bag strip) line dump and resulting injuries and damage to gear from hard openings. I would even go as far to say that I would prefer a bag lock on my main rather than an out of sequence opening resulting in gear damage and injury. 6-12 lbs to extract the locking stows was stated in the PD manual.This means one should be able to lift the closedbag, by the lines without unstowing the lines roughly. take care, space Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #10 November 19, 2003 ah - thats the mouth locking stows... those ARE important, but only so that your bag stays closed until deployment. The rest of the stows (ones which don't pass through grommets), have no impact on how your chute opens - they are just there to keep the lines neat. You could free - stow them if you like. The tube stows this question is about is those last few stows... so really its not an issue about how the chute opens, more one about keeping the lines neat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazyfrog 0 #11 November 19, 2003 double your tube around the attach on your POD, should do the job---------- Fumer tue, péter pue ------------- ourson #10, Mosquito Uno, CBT 579 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base283 0 #12 November 19, 2003 QuoteThe tube stows this question is about is those last few stows... so really its not an issue about how the chute opens, more one about keeping the lines neat. How did you deduce this, maybe I am failing in my comprehension of English. I see no ref to this... kick back, space Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base283 0 #13 November 20, 2003 Quote It's not recommended to double wrap TubeStows around your lines. Maybe better to just get some small rubber bands that work well for your lines. From which manufacturer did you get this recommendation from? I would like to know as I have never heard of any problems with this. thanks in advance. take care, space Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #14 November 21, 2003 QuoteFrom which manufacturer did you get this recommendation from? I would like to know as I have never heard of any problems with this. thanks in advance. I'm pretty sure I've seen that before...on one of the cards that comes in the pack of Tube-Stoes.Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #15 November 21, 2003 Sorry, your right, he does not say which stows are too loose. I inferred that he must be talking about the last few stows as I know that those are the ones that can be loose with tube stows. I would be amazed if small tube stows are too loose on the mouth locks because of the much larger number of lines above the cascade. I guess this thread could have been answered very quickly just by saying that there are detailed instructions on how to attach tube stows in a different way so that more of their length is used up in attaching them to the D-bag. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
linestretch 0 #16 November 24, 2003 I too make our own for the use on the tandem rigs. It's very cheap and easy. Just like sundevil was saying with the needlenose pliers. I found that a little spit on the pryed open end helps too. If it aint spit, it aint love.my pics & stuff! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
