Problems with roll...

[DSE 5]

Help, please? In the absence of anyone jumping with me in a wingsuit, I'm finding that I have a lot of roll when I hold shoulders rolled deep, butt high, and feet spread wide. Rolling one side to the other, and occasionally getting a little yaw tossed in for fun. I'm feeling like I'm starting to understand fall rate as best I can (not being relative to anyone else), but this feels much like potato chipping as an AFF student.
Conversely, I'm getting my flight times up and speeds down. Had two jumps in the 50's today with a low speed of 51, high speed of 83, and averages in the mid 60's. But I'm not "flying" as much as I feel like I'm "flailing."
Any suggestions before I go back up tomorrow?

[yuri_base 1]

Try to concentrate not on fallrates but rather on glide ratio. What you're describing are the symptoms of a low glide ratio. Angle of attack is the difference between the glide angle and your body's pitch angle, so if you're falling at 45 degrees and your body is level with horizon, your AoA = 45 degrees. You're in a stall, and that's the huge burble behind you that is rocking and rolling you.

With time, you'll learn to be stable at high AoA and poor L/D, and that's called flocking.

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[LouDiamond 1]

Sounds like your bringing your suit to the stall point and or tensing your muscles more than is needed. Relax a bit and don't roll your shoulders so much. Too much shoulder roll and ass high will bring you to the stall point. Keep playing with your body position until you are familiar with what brings you to instability, then back it off. Having fun?

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[bodypilot1 0]

Here is your BEST help. Do not get coaching off the internet.......

Now go have fun, and not focus on performance during you first flights.


Ed

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[DSE 5]

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In the absence of anyone jumping with me in a wingsuit,

If you're suggesting I make a choice between not jumping or only jumping with a coach, you're outta your mind. It's warm, and I'd like to learn to fly. Yeah, I do plan on heading west to jump with you, but I'm here, it's warm...
Thanks Scott/Yuri for the pointers to look for. I knew I was too stiff on the first jump, relaxed a lot for the second jump, and watched my fall rate significantly decrease. And have been able to keep the slower fall rate, but getting the roll as a result. I'll try your suggestions tomorrow.
Yes, I'm having a blast. So are you officially my "dealer" now? I'm hooked.

[LouDiamond 1]

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Yes, I'm having a blast. So are you officially my "dealer" now? I'm hooked.

Well, I guess you could say that

PS: Keep an eye on your mail box the next few days.

"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required"
Some people dream about flying, I live my dream
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[bodypilot1 0]

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If you're suggesting I make a choice between not jumping or only jumping with a coach, you're outta your mind.

Now why would I ever suggest not jumping? If your having to jump alone, look at the ground moving beneath you and the feel of your suit around you. Use your exit point and distance you traveled, as opposed to trying to decrease your fall rate so soon on your flights. The later will come.....


Ed

www.WestCoastWingsuits.com
www.PrecisionSkydiving.com

[VectorBoy 0]

Flying alone ( regardless of discipline ) makes it really hard to get definitive analysis of the things that are happening. Eloy was rewarding for you not just because wingsuits are such a blast but also from the fact of the group environtment you got to experience it in. Some poor bastards don't have a choice and are forced into 100s of WS solo jumps.

I'm not advocating not doing solos but Ed is right try and get out with other people doing the same thing. I know Joe from Mequite takes a trip down south now and then. Or take a trip over the hill to Lodi. Maybe taft has absorbed some of the former Calcity flock, dunno. Couple more weekends in group therapy might answer all of your questions before they become questions.

This will be a great year to be active in getting out to wingsuit events.

[sdctlc 0]

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I'm getting my flight times up and speeds down. Had two jumps in the 50's today with a low speed of 51, high speed of 83, and averages in the mid 60's. But I'm not "flying" as much as I feel like I'm "flailing."
Any suggestions before I go back up tomorrow?

I have been out of town for a bit so just browsing through and Spot, if your doing lows of 50's with averages of 60's that is tremendous improvement over what you were getting just a few weeks ago! Congrats.. Is that with Sean's former suit you left with?? If so, like we talked about in Eloy, it just takes a few jumps to dial it in as no suit is plug and play!

As for solo, I always seemed to be trying for time early on and found myself getting tired with not the best results.. I found I was over tensioning the suit and really going too slow forward. Translated to performance loss which felt twitchy in flight along with feeling like the envelope was small and things like "Popping" up in the suit were not good... When I started seeing what was going on I concentrated on a little more forward, remember were not trying to shoot video so don't be afraid to "tip" forward a little. More speed forward, using my hips and tail wing more with not overly tensioning the suit gave better results, at least it did for me.

Play with different body positions and just take the neptune readings as a ballpark as there will be some variation. Also the things said are very general comments. With out seeing your body position or flying with you, any specific info you get is tough to take as legit set in stone advice.. The best was given earlier being to just play with different things, yes even ones mentioned here, in the air and as you do that you will discover what works for you!

Scott C.

"He who Hesitates Shall Inherit the Earth!"