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[Tony-tonysuits 0]

ok, its started, Jeff and I just landed from our first practice jump, we did round 1,
I'd just like to say that was the most fun I've had wingsuiting, [cept for the odd cloud jump maybe] but that was more like the 4 way days, total work out, great,

15 min call for our second practice jump, haha

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[skyjumpsteve 0]

...and how did you do? I fucking hate myself for asking this because I have bad memories of the RW world which I was in before wingsuiting "rescued me".....but how many points did you get????

[Heffro1 0]

We got 2 points, I think with some practice we can get at least 5 or 6

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[notsane 0]

Jeff .. are you counting a point as "complete insertion" .. or just partial??

[pierre3636 0]

fun hu !!!

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[mccordia 74]

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We got 2 points, I think with some practice we can get at least 5 or 6

We only practiced the first 4 rounds once so far...we hope to finaly get round 5 in for practice this coming weekend.

We are going to try and arrive in Spa a few days before the contest, so we can get a few more days of training in. As we're afraid money/weather are not on our side here..

Am I making up excusses for our bad scores ahead of time...or am I bullshitting you, and did we score 11 points on round 1 during the single practice jump we´ve had for that round?

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[Heffro1 0]

o.k. we stepped it up to 41 points each for a full second I'd post the vid but i dont want to give our secrets away
Can we make grippers on our arms at the wrist or does it have to be a hand dock I think with wrist grippers we can get more points.

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[mccordia 74]

For the leg/ankle dock, a gripper (such as the one on an Acro) would be no issue. As long as the dock is made on the leg (preferably bellow the knee)

When a clear (1 second) dock is visable near the enkle, its all is good...

As for the hands..though we havent specified any details on that yet, I believe a hand/hand dock (skin on skin) would definately be the only way to go.

Otherwise its going to evolve into people flying suits with 1 meter poles attached to the arms, or big easy to grab loops etc.

If I may make a suit mod. suggestion.

Create a little gutter/edge on the lower part of a wingtip-gripper, this allows you to hook your thumb behind it, while outstretching your hand to take/recieve a dock.

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[Heffro1 0]

our suits don't fall out of the sky when you drop the gripper so we don't have to hold them while we take (skin on skin) docks. but gutters would be nice if it rains

We had thought of big loop wrist grippers so you can fly real fast and recklessly take grips, i figure we can step it up to at least 42 points that way

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[mccordia 74]

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We had thought of big loop wrist grippers so you can fly real fast and recklessly take grips, i figure we can step it up to at least 42 points that way

We want this competition to be about the humans flying the suit.
Not about how big a hook you can attach to a suit to grab other people
(complications of someone tied onto your arm at pull-time aside)

The result of the competition should be> Wow, those guys flew really well

And not> Yea..but they where duc-taped to eachother at the belly and their suit had XXX docking features.

A suit with backflying ability, and if needed, leg-grippers are as far as we want to go. A dock should last 1 second, and be visable on video clearly.


Im quite tired of the 'definitive' competitions for distance and glide where, the wind, someones weight, hight, shoes, temperature, endurance, lack of sleep, or (depending on how happy each person or manufacturer is with the result) the suit is the reason for winning or loosing.

Dont turn it into more of a rigging discipline then it already is..keep it real..

If 2 docks are what you can currently manage in a jump and you want to improve on that..practice more...

If RW teams can manage 40 points in 35 second working time, we should be able to get at least a few docks in with our 1,5 to 2,5 minute working time (or 4 minutes, flying 20 mph sustained)

JC
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[Heffro1 0]

hey we are getting 41 points (skin on skin) for the first round, after only 3 practice jumps, and are you sure we wont be disqualified because our suits are clearly better than yours?

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[mccordia 74]

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hey we are getting 41 points (skin on skin) for the first round, after only 3 practice jumps, and are you sure we wont be disqualified because our suits are clearly better than yours?

If the video you deliver for judging is as clear and in line with your own observations, as it was with your 20 mph 'sustained' fallrate, I wouldnt bet on 1st prize just yet and keep practicing..

JC
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Will there be white people at this competition?

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[mccordia 74]

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Will there be white people at this competition?

White as a sheet...when they see how shit-hot our flying is!

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[Heffro1 0]

I can attest to that Dunkin Wright and Mark Harris showed up at Z-Hills this week and I got to say it these guys were up there with the best that I have flown with. We did pull off a 3 way docked backfly that was smooth as silk. They didn't do so bad on the flowrider either, although Mark might have a sore neck for a few days.

They both bought mercury super mercury mach ones, what can I say once you go Mach you don't go bach

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[mccordia 74]

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what can I say, once you go Mach you don't go bach

What can I say, Take off the Blade, and you'll never get laid
Girls dig my scallops..

After the competition at Spa, I say we put all the top flyers together and show the world some awesome new things

ps.
Jumping a GS1 tomorrow..how bout them apples

JC
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[Heffro1 0]

What can I say, Take off the Blade, and you'll never get laid

That would be the other way around "wear a blade and no get laid"

Girls dig my scallops

Only wraped in bacon

The GS1 is a nice flying suit when you get past the tail flappage and massive arm loading, which was about the same as when I did a rodeo jump with a 180 pound (81 kg) girl on my back tough at pull time

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[mariavon 0]

The GS1 is a nice flying suit when you get past the tail flappage and massive arm loading, which was about the same as when I did a rodeo jump with a 180 pound (81 kg) girl on my back tough at pull time

Jeff the GS1 demo that you jumped so extensively in your research for your big wing models had a flaw in the tailwing, it was not crossvented, and I believe that this was the main cause for the flapping, inflation not being what it should. We have now cut the little holes in the cell walls so I hope that the flapping is cured. As for the arm loading, Jeff I have been so tempted to copy Birdman"s what-you-call-them tunnel things on the leading edge ? God they are brilliant and maybe I am ignorant but it seems to me that they would help a lot to lift the arms out of the strain? Too bad I didn't stoop just that once.. I thought that people would not take us seriously if we copied stuff so blatently..

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[Heffro1 0]

From what I could see it just lacked high pressure inflation, very similar arm loading to our non inflating single skin wing. I don't think the go fast can holders on the leading do alot aside from giving a mini biplane effect. I think they just add unwanted drag. Our arm wing inlet was inspired by that, but we use it for ram air inflation instead. And I can say the GS1 did not influence our design because I started off with a smaller suit which is now become the Raptor, it was outflying other suits at the time but when I would backfly, it went low all the time so it then grew into the Mach 1 and then Super Mach 1 so these suits were born from backflying. The Gs1 right out the plane flew great it was more toward the end of the jump that fatigue took over. Crossporting does help but the proper inlet is what makes high pressure. And jumpers want the best, bottom line, so if there are ideas inspired by other suits most don't care they are happy to have a great flying suit.

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[bdrake529 0]

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They both bought mercury super mercury mach ones, what can I say once you go Mach you don't go bachTongue

So you're selling the "mercury" style now? Or were you just off-loading some prototypes? I was under the impression that you and Tony (and Chuck Blue Blasphemy) preferred the pure SM1 and the "mercury" was just an interesting R+D project that ultimately vindicated the SM1 as a better design.

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[Tony-tonysuits 0]

So you're selling the "mercury" style now? Or were you just off-loading some prototypes?
CORRECT

I was under the impression that you and Tony (and Chuck Blue Blasphemy) preferred the pure SM1 and the "mercury" was just an interesting R+D project that ultimately vindicated the SM1 as a better design.
CORRECT

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[mccordia 74]

Guess duncan and mark didnt tell you about our new years 'Biroman' bonfire, and why they asked for two tony-suits ;-)

Still in dreamy wonderland about the first topic with my name in the subjectline though....

JC
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[Heffro1 0]

Guess duncan and mark didnt tell you about our new years 'Biroman' bonfire, and why they asked for two tony-suits ;-)

You have given me a great idea

Still in dreamy wonderland about the first topic with my name in the subjectline though....

My pea sized brain does not get this

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[Tony-tonysuits 0]

HE'S TALKING ABOUT HOW WONDERFUL opps
it is to do sequential in a wingsuit,
I like it, im a bit bored with flocking,

I dont like taking grips so much as doing dive's with continual movement, we've done two lately, one was a stack, the top guy come's off to the side and drops down to the bottom, when he gets there he slides in under the bottom guy now he's the low man.
At the top when the next guy to go see's the first one go past him the 2nd guy moves to the side and follows the first guy, when the first guy tucks in at the bottom the 2nd guy go's on and then he tucks in, [or her of course] it looks like a vertical conveyer belt,
the second one was Jeff and I set two base's 15 feet apart, then we both get two wingmen form up on us to form 2 three way wedges, then on the nod jeff's wedge moves forward and ours go's behind there's then up alongside then in front to repeat the move, when done right it should look like two wedges flying around each other

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