kallend 2,131 #26 November 3, 2003 QuoteQuoteAfter a canopy is open and presumeably flying well, there is no longer much need for the RSL to be connected at that point since it is highly unlikely that a malfunction would occur, unless induced by being overzealous with toggle inputs. How about a low collision, with anouter jumper inder and open parachute, that requires a low cutaway? How about a collision that results in a wrap?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #27 November 3, 2003 QuoteQuoteQuoteAfter a canopy is open and presumeably flying well, there is no longer much need for the RSL to be connected at that point since it is highly unlikely that a malfunction would occur, unless induced by being overzealous with toggle inputs. How about a low collision, with anouter jumper inder and open parachute, that requires a low cutaway? How about a collision that results in a wrap? Well, maybe you will get out of a wrap so low that only RSL will save you if cutaway is still needed... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #28 November 3, 2003 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How about a low collision, with anouter jumper inder and open parachute, that requires a low cutaway? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree skydiverek. imo low cutaways are the REASON you would use a RSL. If you're high enough to delay a sec then the RSL is redundant. The microsecond the RSL could give you from a cutaway at 700 feet is the main reasons I consider using one. Just my opinion though. I certainly won't claim to have seen it all, but I've seen my unfortunate share of canopy collisions. None of the ones I've ever seen have resulted in a cutaway...not saying they can't, but in these cases (and in most cases) they didn't. Usually, when a canopy collision occurs, it's close to the ground and results in a very rapid collapse with not much time to do anything but ride it in and PLF. Not saying that some skilled operators haven't gotten out of this scenario by canopy transfer or something similar, but most of the time I don't think the RSL is going to help in this situation...but it won't hurt, so leave it hooked up. It's one less thing you have to do after opening, which means it's one less thing taking your mind off flying and watching your surroundings. I've never really understood unhooking your RSL under canopy. Even in 40 mph winds (should you be so stupid as to get caught in this situation) cutting away a main on the ground will result in the res. p/c popping out...that's it. Sure, if you give it a bunch of time it might get to line stretch, but it would have to be howling to get it out of the bag. If you're in a position that you need to cutaway to keep from getting drug, IMO, you need to re-evaluate how you got there....and pay the penance for being a fool by paying to have your reserve reclosed. Just because you rode the plane to altitude doesn't mean you have to exit. The pilot can always call down and get a ground winds report. Remember, it's far better to be down here wishing you were up there, than to be up there wishing you were down here. "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #29 November 3, 2003 QuoteI've seen my unfortunate share of canopy collisions. None of the ones I've ever seen have resulted in a cutaway...not saying they can't, but in these cases (and in most cases) they didn't. I saw one on "Mike McGowan's Greatest Hits" the one with an extremly low, not even full, reserve deployment. It looks like it was RSL activated and probably it saved jumper's life - at least it stood him up a little so that his feet took the impact first... Check this thread: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=329086#329086 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #30 November 3, 2003 Like I said, I'm sure it can happen, it just normally doesn't. "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
