leroydb 0 #1 July 18, 2005 Uploaded a video of LouDiamond in his S3S in action above the tail and a tandem swoop by myself in a regular S3. My temp speed on exit was high 30's... Lou's must have been insane... It is called "S3S_Chronicle_small" and is encoded in divx http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=2446Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #2 July 18, 2005 Cool video (had to install the latest Divx version to see it though, waiting for codecs to download sux) And nice swoop...:) I'm quite curious to the differences (performance-wise) of the S3S, compared to the normal S3. Any GPS data on Glideratio of the S3S compared to the 'normal' S3? If you look at the Red Bull guys, they flew 20,5 km in 12 KM of freefall. So that already puts them at a 1,7 glide-ratio, including trying to flock with 4 people, and massive fattigue near the end of the jump, and les-dense air at the higher altitudes...?JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #3 July 18, 2005 1st, I would have posted the video of scott... but I uh suck... I had an top avge of mid 40's (at the bottom around 55-65) He easily outpowered me... BUT I will say this. You all know that it is mostly the pilot of the suit and not the suit itself. I guess it to be avge 80/20 pilot to suit ratio, but that is a very rough guess...Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #4 July 18, 2005 Scott, do you recommend trying to get above the tail on a side door plane (because of the rear stabilizer)? It is hard to tell from this 3rd person video if you actually did get above the tail, and if you did, if it's due more to your flying or to the plane's diving. Cool video, Leroy. www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #5 July 18, 2005 111, There actually is a previous discussion of this, and it was about 3 years ago after Columbus Day weekend. I posted a video here ---> http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=1382 I can't find the old posts, maybe scott remembers. We did not start out to do this on purpose, but I do know that Scott is one of the the most (if not the most) saftey concious BM among us. I will let him reply further... PS... even with the plane diving... No doubt he was above the plane. He would have been even if the plane stayed level.Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #6 July 18, 2005 QuoteI do know that Scott is one of the the most (if not the most) saftey concious BM among us. Agreed. www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
outrager 6 #7 July 18, 2005 QuoteIf you look at the Red Bull guys, they flew 20,5 km in 12 KM of freefall. So that already puts them at a 1,7 glide-ratio, including trying to flock with 4 people, and massive fattigue near the end of the jump, and les-dense air at the higher altitudes...? The wind at altitude, especially on such a high skydive make any glide ratio estimates meaningless. I strongly suspect they had good tailwind - i wouldnt embark on such a project in headwind bsbd! Yuri Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #8 July 19, 2005 QuoteI'm quite curious to the differences (performance-wise) of the S3S, compared to the normal S3. It is quite a step up performance wise from the S3.The S3 already has a very wide performance envelope in that it can be flown slowly or fast depending on the situation. The S3S has even more latitude on both ends. Omar has video from the Lake Wales boogie of Matt and I flying with Cancer Chris on his back in his V1 relatively slow as well as Perry and I screaming across the sky on break off. The best piece of video is Ivan's footage of the high speed exits. Perry exited right before me and had the best view but even on the video you can see me easily rise by Perry's estimate, 200 feet above the tail of the CASA. Perry said it looked like something from the HERC boogie.The S3S has the familiar feel of the S3 but with a lot more power and performance. I haven't had time to download the GPS data from that boogie and subsequent flights yet but based on my Protrack and Neptune readings and some quick math in my head, the numbers should be quite nice."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ivanrockon 0 #9 July 19, 2005 QuoteThe best piece of video is Ivan's footage of the high speed exits. Yeap, it's true...that is one sick exit....not even compared to what Leroy posted. Showed the footage at the dz last weekend and peoples jaw were falling to the floor. Ivan "Rock On" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #10 July 19, 2005 Dont talk about it...post it you fools! I'm at my pc..got a clean pair of undies within reach! POST IT!!JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ivanrockon 0 #11 July 19, 2005 Patience my fellow flocker! That footage will be used in a compilation of what Omar (OmarPR....a Z-Flocker) is editing for everyones pleasure I'll see what I can do to extract that segment of the flight (exit) on my gf laptop...but I don't know how to use a mac computer and not to mention iMovie Ivan "Rock On" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unclecharlie95 3 #12 July 19, 2005 have a play with imovie, within 5 minutes of random clicking you'll be up and running - it is real quick to pick up, promiseBASEstore.it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bowie 0 #13 July 19, 2005 My S3S just got shipped from Estonia today. it is going to be a perfect present for my B.. day ;o)Bo Wienberg vimeo.com/bowienberg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #14 October 3, 2005 After 2 big flocking weekends and a short holiday in germany where I got to play with my S3S for the first time I'm really starting to get the hang of it. Where just untill 3 weeks ago, my best fallrates where in the high 40's, I managed got into 40 to 35 mph fallrates the past weekend, while flying at forward speeds I havent yet experienced and with way more ease in flying (in terms of strenght needed in your arms). I was going for distance on the dive, and the way slow speeds I was getting during that one where just an added bonus. It was actualy on a couple of speedy flocking dives just two weeks ago, chasing the base, that I learnt to speed it up more. The jump before I was trying to catch up with the base. Trying to fly it as flat as possible, looking up/ehead at the base. I'm only just learning to fly it faster at the moment...as up untill now I was usualy a bit more foaty in my flying...lacking enough forward speed. I was keeping up, but just not catching up. I got a few tips about changing my angle of attack, steepening it a little to get more speed, thus more lift, thus more drive (although my intuition sayd I would dive deeper instead of speeding up) The next dive, J-lo took base in his S3S and put the afterburners on. Most of the group got left in the dust. Only the three people on the dive in S3S's (and Henny in his normal S3) managed to keep up. The speeds where insane! Definately give this suit a try if you can.. I'll see if I can get Johan to chime in here...he's been flying his S3S quite a bit since he got it just 2 weeks ago... Small ps. I also got to try a MTR2, and got quite an okay fallrate and forward speed on my first jump. But the palms down flying of this suit is quite tiring on your arms..I felt my upper arms like I'd been weightlifting like a maniac. The dive lasted just a bit over 1 and a half minute. While I did a 2:30 dive on my S3S (12500ft>3000ft) the day before and hardly felt any fattigue. Although that could also partialy be because of the S3S..where the support in the wings definately takes a lot of stress off of your arms..JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pierre3636 0 #15 October 4, 2005 out of interest - how much experience do you think you need to try this suit(s3s) ? sure it will be different for all people but what do you think would be objectives you should need to achieve before going for a s3s? fall rates, nr of jumps , different types of jumps... it is a very sketchy type of comparison but I think of it in terms of down sizing a canopy, I know what I need to be able to achieve in certain situation s on my current canopy before I would downsize.. any opinions out there? [if you think its better to start a new post on the subject pls move !) ciao ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JFK 0 #16 October 4, 2005 Hey Pierre, moving to a bigger suit is definitely a personal choice. First what is the need of upsizing? There is always something to squeeze out of any suit, but you might want more than the suit can offer to you (small wings will remain small wings, no matter how good the pilot is). Then, what "skills" do you need for upsizing? You probably need to feel confident enough and realistic about your own skills. If you feel like you can go for a bigger one and that you're not overestimating yourself then give it a shot :) Have been flying Classic, GTI, S3, S3S prototype, PHI prototype... and when I could try the V1... I got the same adrenaline feeling pumping in my body than before my first wingsuit jump :) Flying the S3S doesn't require more than flying the S3. It just gives you more range than with the S3. Jul.JFK #1013 PM Me No Adrenalin.... No Fun! "Minds are like parachutes the Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pierre3636 0 #17 October 4, 2005 yeah sure - let me PM you. ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #18 October 4, 2005 From my comparisons with other suits, seeing people fly 3 or 4 different suits of several brands for the first time in a few days. The S3S actually seemed like one of the easiest suits to fly. Even though low jump-numbers will probably mean you're not flying the suit anywhere near the maximum performance, it still flies really well in even the most horrible positions of your body. And once you get to know the suit, you can start to discover and experiment with the hidden can of whoop-ass that the S3S has inside, in terms of speed/glide etc. What amazed me most, compared to the Skyflyer1 and Skyflyer3 (S1: +-20 jumps, S3: +-150 jumps) is that the more rigid wings seem to really help you at both slower and faster speeds. Even when you're bending your arms back/folding them in, or doing whatever to drop faster in 'falling-like-a-brick' flocks...the rigid wing inserts maintain a clean profile, and thus good airflow over the wing, and you don't get the flapping you see in some other suits. This means that you are still in complete controll when flying fast, or when flying close to stall-speeds and even when you're dropping out of the sky like a rock. The wing will always have a clean profile and will not distort... The rigid wings also assist in backflying quite a bit, and causes way, way less flapping then what you see in a lot of other suits when you look at footage online at skydivingmovies.com Pilot skill also comes in here, but the rigid wing-ribs take a lot of the difficulty out of it.. But the thing I'm only just discovering is the great speed and lift you can get out of the suit.. The S3S has only been around for a short time, so the true speeds top pilots can fly with it will probably take a while to surface..but believe me when I say it feels like you're flying a fast jet-fighter.. It does add some things like 'more wing to deal with at pulltime', and if you get into a spin on your back, the big legwing will definitely give you a run for your money etc...basically all the 'big suit' problems you could get into trouble with...but I think most people won't if they just take it easy, and don't rush into things without proper instruction/preparation and (pull)practice, both in the air and on the ground (before the jump) In general, I think you'll like it....JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
