leroydb 0 #26 July 8, 2005 what exactly does the suit/harness integration actually accomplish? turbulence?Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #27 July 8, 2005 Quotewhat exactly does the suit/harness integration actually accomplish? turbulence? Aerodynamics for longer flights. Be safe. Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #28 July 8, 2005 Quotewhat exactly does the suit/harness integration actually accomplish? turbulence? And you wouldn't have to worry if your leg straps are fastened or not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #29 July 8, 2005 not sure I would be happy with myself if I wasnt worried... but i see what you are saying how much longer could the flights be?Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #30 July 8, 2005 Quotehow much longer could the flights be? 2 minutes, 7.234 seconds. In all actuality, we won't know until we try. I'm curious myself, and am a bit skeptical it would result in HUGE gains, but I guess every bit of forward progress is a good thing.www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 644 #31 July 8, 2005 QuoteQuotewhat exactly does the suit/harness integration actually accomplish? turbulence? Aerodynamics for longer flights. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An integrated suit/harness would have much smoother airflow over the top skin, improving lift. With only 3-Rings and handles on the front, drag would be further reduced: faster horizontally and much less worry about suits "swallowing" handles. I am picturing Jii-Wings with zippers attaching the innermost wing ribs to riser covers. Historical note: the first attempts at integrating suits and harnesses were done back in the late 1970s, when RW suits got HUGE! Can anyone remember Kreuger Balloon Suits? These suits looked like Prodigies at first glance, with separate jackets and pants. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mariavon 0 #32 July 8, 2005 If you look closely at the pics of the new GS1 you will see that the rig lies submerged in the wing. I designed what I call a "rig box " into which the rig fits and the wing ends up being on the same level as the top of the rig. The whole wing has been attached to the body on a line very much to the back... see the side view shots... So the body of the pilot is completely exposed and hangs well below the wing thus lowering the center of gravity which has maximised stability and improved steering, the body now acting as a keel in the air. The top of the wing has been raised to the level of the deflector, in fact wing and deflector are one continuous thing, with rig lying in its "box" We are sending a pre-inflated model for air flow tests in a windtunnel this month so we will know soon exactly what is happening with the air flow. From the perspective of a wingsuit designer a rig is very irritating... I spend a lot of time plotting its demise ... Yes - I am designing a wingsuit to land... end of story. (pronounced G - jii is the force that makes you fly!) Jii-Wings - no strings! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites veter_ 0 #33 July 8, 2005 QuoteAs for the suit: about a constant 120mph forward and 20 mph vertical speed? A true 6:1 glide ratio? Is that even theoretically possible? I don't think 6:1 is possible without wings extending beyond human body dimensions (that is, without rigid wing, which is not a wingsuit). Glide ratio is limited by the shape of human body. This is explained well in Robert Pecnik's Wingsuit Aerodynamics 2 at phoenix-fly.com. Probably, 3:1 is about theoretical limit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #34 July 9, 2005 QuoteWith only 3-Rings and handles on the front, drag would be further reduced... What are these handles of which you speak? -- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #35 July 9, 2005 Will you alter the size of the "rig box" to fit various different rigs when custom ordered? The "box" for my rig is going to be a very different (and smaller) shape than the "box" for something I'd use out of an aeroplane.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mariavon 0 #36 July 10, 2005 We take into account the dimensions of the rig (as supplied by the manufacturers) when we build the box. In general though, the rig box will be slightly bigger than the rig. The most important factor though is the final position of the bottom of the rig on the back - which is why we ask for a pic of you wearing your rig. It is not so much a question of fit, rather the smoothness of the profile. (pronounced G - jii is the force that makes you fly!) Jii-Wings - no strings! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
mariavon 0 #32 July 8, 2005 If you look closely at the pics of the new GS1 you will see that the rig lies submerged in the wing. I designed what I call a "rig box " into which the rig fits and the wing ends up being on the same level as the top of the rig. The whole wing has been attached to the body on a line very much to the back... see the side view shots... So the body of the pilot is completely exposed and hangs well below the wing thus lowering the center of gravity which has maximised stability and improved steering, the body now acting as a keel in the air. The top of the wing has been raised to the level of the deflector, in fact wing and deflector are one continuous thing, with rig lying in its "box" We are sending a pre-inflated model for air flow tests in a windtunnel this month so we will know soon exactly what is happening with the air flow. From the perspective of a wingsuit designer a rig is very irritating... I spend a lot of time plotting its demise ... Yes - I am designing a wingsuit to land... end of story. (pronounced G - jii is the force that makes you fly!) Jii-Wings - no strings! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
veter_ 0 #33 July 8, 2005 QuoteAs for the suit: about a constant 120mph forward and 20 mph vertical speed? A true 6:1 glide ratio? Is that even theoretically possible? I don't think 6:1 is possible without wings extending beyond human body dimensions (that is, without rigid wing, which is not a wingsuit). Glide ratio is limited by the shape of human body. This is explained well in Robert Pecnik's Wingsuit Aerodynamics 2 at phoenix-fly.com. Probably, 3:1 is about theoretical limit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #34 July 9, 2005 QuoteWith only 3-Rings and handles on the front, drag would be further reduced... What are these handles of which you speak? -- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #35 July 9, 2005 Will you alter the size of the "rig box" to fit various different rigs when custom ordered? The "box" for my rig is going to be a very different (and smaller) shape than the "box" for something I'd use out of an aeroplane.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mariavon 0 #36 July 10, 2005 We take into account the dimensions of the rig (as supplied by the manufacturers) when we build the box. In general though, the rig box will be slightly bigger than the rig. The most important factor though is the final position of the bottom of the rig on the back - which is why we ask for a pic of you wearing your rig. It is not so much a question of fit, rather the smoothness of the profile. (pronounced G - jii is the force that makes you fly!) Jii-Wings - no strings! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
