BGill 0 #26 September 13, 2004 also, having control of the flight of the said device on your back should be counted Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #27 September 13, 2004 Quotealso, having control of the flight of the said device on your back should be counted I can't think of any situation where one would jump something on his back that he *didn't* have control of... can you? (exception being rodeoI think the biggest difference is whether or not you control the object with your entire body from head to toe (like a wingsuit) or by rigid controls. Although I'd imagine even with a rigid controlled wing your body position matters...www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #28 September 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteAt what point is the limit in terms of 'having something on your back' and 'hanging from it'? IMO, I'd say if you can walk on your 2 legs with it on your back, your not hanging from it. The other would be it having it's own supporting system or landing gear. - Most hang gliders and some ultralights...... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
verticalflyer 11 #29 September 14, 2004 have to agree with you, if you want to fly with rigid wings its called a plane. The practicality of people with folded composite wings jumping is just crazy. So yuo ant to take off with your jet pack cool but for what a 4 min very expensive flight where you only need a partial engine failure structural failure to put you in trouble. I like to rely on gravity and nylon, whilst its great people are pushing these areas, I am more impressed by the evolution of the gravity powered fabric wingsuit over the solid, powered rocketman! Cool pics though.Dont just talk about it, Do it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #30 August 2, 2005 I would love to add jet engines to my wingsuit...can't anyone come up with a practical solution that doesnt involve rigid wings that take up 4 slots in an airplane JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #31 August 2, 2005 If this idea is successfully developed we won't need the aircraft or the base object. The base purists and 'nylon only' lovers can keep doing what they like while anyone interested in taking the next step into powered wing-suit flight can do that ..... unless a whole lot of rules are made to restrict us. Did I hear some-one say IMPOSSIBLE.? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #32 August 2, 2005 More information on the development of rigid wing wingsuits which can take off and land can be found here. Information on powered versions of this flight form can be found here. Only partly joking. -- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
verticalflyer 11 #33 August 2, 2005 Tom, My thoughts entirely, and for all the legislation guys see www.faa.govDont just talk about it, Do it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #34 August 2, 2005 The real design challenge here is to conceive a powered wingsuit that still allows intuitive /instinctive control and remains within reasonable dimensions and cost. If its got solid bits in it to make it work well ..all the better. If those early birdman had access to modern materials and equipment they really would be doin'it rather than talkin' about it. Prediction....If a reasonable amount of money was thrown in the right direction this little dream would become a reality. Hopefully it won't go down in aviation history as a persistent birdman delusion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #35 August 2, 2005 I don't care for take offs and landings....but being able to flock for 10 minutes in my regular suit would be a dream JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #36 August 2, 2005 Extra weight =4.5kg of motors + 4.5 litrs of kero for 5 minutes of 32kg(~70lb) thrust. = less than 10kg Xtra wait. . 'Jetman' has shown us that it is possible. It just needs to be made a bit more user friendly. For a ten minute dream you'd need about 9 litres of kero.(at full thrust) Possible scenario-- exit as normal, fly around for a minute or so start the engines ...go back up...switch off ..flyback down etc etc....unless it was a lander you'd have to open your pairshoot sometime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
verticalflyer 11 #37 August 3, 2005 QuoteI don't care for take offs and landings....but being able to flock for 10 minutes in my regular suit would be a dream Maybe soon, without the motors.....Dont just talk about it, Do it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mdrejhon 8 #38 October 31, 2005 Not the same project, but jet engine wingsuit flight succeeded... http://www.bird-man.com/?n=News&id=948 Flew with nearly no altitude loss for 2 minutes! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #39 November 1, 2005 Spoke to Yves today, Still improvements to come scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #40 November 2, 2005 ............... You guys started this jet stuff and now it looks like (almost ) any-one can do it even Finnish people Visa Parviainen .... the first person to achieve horizontal flight in a Wingsuit? How are those landings looking??????? Good on ya Visa . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ove 0 #41 November 9, 2005 Helmet? What's the idea behind that? Could it be used for better aerodynamics on pure tracking/wingsuit flight? Do, or do not. There is no try. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #42 September 15, 2008 man with wings videoscissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #43 July 2, 2010 some cool news www.jetman.ch/?page_id=24 scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #44 July 2, 2010 Now thats awesome! Especialy the formation stuff! Also expect some new exciting video on the wingsuit/jet engine project end of the coming week!JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #45 July 2, 2010 even if they are "different", these projects ROCKscissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #46 July 3, 2010 I totally agree. What has always perplexed me, though, is the fact that Yves continues to use a Porter as his "launch" aircraft. It would be SO much easier for him to just step backwards off a tailgate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #47 July 4, 2010 yes it would be much easier.... but it would cost him another eye to get a tailgate for each time he needs to train ... Tailgates are not easily available in our country, whereas Porters.... Hell, every Swiss has a Porter in his garden scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BenediktDE 2 #48 July 5, 2010 Quote Hell, every Swiss has a Porter in his garden Just in case the helicopter does not work? For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #49 July 17, 2010 www.jetman.ch/?p=24the new video with cooooooolio formation flying scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #50 July 17, 2010 Awesome! Nothing but cool! Cool! COOL!JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
