Tonto 1 #1 August 18, 2004 Jumped with someone new to the flock this past weekend. They did well, nice exit, flew the pattern, good deployments, no line twists. When flying along side them though, it's clear that while they're facing in the right direction, they're zig zagging quite a bit. How best do I teach fine heading control and convince someone how little they need to do to make things happen? tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #2 August 18, 2004 Something that works well for heading control and navigation (though navigation doesn't seem to be the issue here), is to pick out some landmarks, if possible. Have as many in mind as possible and know where they are. Then you can say, "fly until you're right over that lake, then turn left and fly towards the baseball field over there." Just an example, adjust as needed. You can do this in the door just before exit. The result is usually a pretty straight flight (without blown turns)."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrisFlyZ 0 #3 August 18, 2004 I think he is talking about inexperienced pilots buzzing around instead of flying in a straight line. You could be buzzing around and still fly a pattern. You would notice this on flock. I was buzzing around quite a bit on my first few flocks. Kris. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #4 August 18, 2004 Right, but a little target fixation can develop some good heading-maintenance habits (as well as some bad habits). "¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #5 August 18, 2004 Spot on. Buzzing describes it nicely. I was having to pop up to avoid contact and yet maintain prox. Does it just sort itself out with more awareness? tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrisFlyZ 0 #6 August 18, 2004 I think it happened to me because most of my jumps are solo and I go where I am looking. Liking not flying purposefully in a straight line but going where I am looking and then fixing(overcompensating) because oops got too close....repeat. I am assuming it will fix itself with more flocking experience. Kris. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #7 August 18, 2004 Newbies tend to "swim" a bit just like new jumpers either back slide or have built in turns. Once they learn the nuances of the suit and have someone to fly relative to, they usually settle in and stop "zooming" around the sky. Some people have no issues from jump 1 while some take a few more trys to dial it in. Like most issues, it boils down to body positioning and or excessive body/trunk movement. Flying with others though is crucial to development. I find that it works best if you emphasize early on in the ground training that less is more when it comes to body inputs. I reinforce this and several other points(like navigation) while waiting to load and when they brief the dive back to me prior to exit. This and many other issues are covered in the TLO checklist given to each BMI when they graduate for such reference."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #8 August 19, 2004 Ah, I know what you mean now. Quoteit boils down to body positioning and or excessive body/trunk movement.Yes it does. Tonto, maybe you could emphasize/literalize the "head on a swivel" concept. A lot of newer WS pilots tend to go in the direction they are looking. If you can get them to hold their body still while moving their head about, that should help."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
