flyinnorway 0 #1 August 12, 2004 Hey Yuri=)It is Bjørn, i jumped with you two years ago in sunndalen from togveggen.I then jumped the s3.Maybe you have forgot it.I did not mean to tell anything negative about anything, just wanted to tell that i have had great flights with the mtr2.(90sec from tecno in troll 4700feet)That is better than i have done before..From plane 65km/hour average. Have around 100wingsuit jumps from cliffs in norway. Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites outrager 6 #2 August 12, 2004 QuoteThat is better than i have done before..From plane 65km/hour average. I'm glad it flies well for you. Not to imply anything, but a well-fitting and well-flown S3 generaly outglides MTR2. You should be getting about the same time and noticeably more horizontal speed/distance in S3. As a reference point, my old S3 prototype was going about 60km/h vertical and 2.4 L/D on better flights. bsbd! Yuri. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #3 August 12, 2004 I believe you Bjorn. Although I don't base my M2 starts flying sooner than my S3. A few weeks ago it was already inflated just sitting in the helicopter and of course it was flying right off the step. My S3 takes a few seconds longer to inflate. I cannot wait to do some balloon exits with the Matter. As far as getting the fattest and flatest glide I tend to believe its the pilot that makes the majic happen less so the suit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #4 August 12, 2004 I'm glad it flies well for you. Not to imply anything, but a well-fitting and well-flown S3 generaly outglides MTR2. You should be getting about the same time and noticeably more horizontal speed/distance in S3. As a reference point, my old S3 prototype was going about 60km/h vertical and 2.4 L/D on better flights. bsbd! Yuri.Quote Most of the best wingsuit pilots have had an S3 for a few seasons now and had the time to tune their style to the way it flys best for them. The matter is less than a season new and it will be curious to see what the same very best pilots achieve with it after a while as it is different enough from flying the Bird-man suits. Maybe nothing new and the generalization that the S3 maintains more drive will stand or maybe something interesting. Yuri please tell us about your old prototype S3. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites outrager 6 #5 August 12, 2004 Quote Yuri please tell us about your old prototype S3. Nothing exciting, really - one of the last prototypes before S3 came out. Basically S3 with slightly smaller arm wings and no grippers. Marginally inferior to a production version but it fit me well and flew ok so i never bothered to change. You have a valid point on experience levels of S3 vs MTR, but it also appears that MTR's learning curve is faster. It is a good thing by itself, however i do not believe that extra time will significantly improve the numbers we see. Even on S3 that takes a while to finetune i only had a marginal gain between the 1st and 2nd seasons. Could somebody post GPS distance data for MTR base flights so we have a reference point here? bsbd! Yuri. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ManBird 0 #6 August 12, 2004 QuoteYou have a valid point on experience levels of S3 vs MTR, but it also appears that MTR's learning curve is faster. It is a good thing by itself, however i do not believe that extra time will significantly improve the numbers we see.This seems to be what I hear about a lot of monowing suits. That you can fly them pretty well right away, and then you learn to max them out in a very short time. I think the S3 has a much steeper learning curve, but more potential. The fall rates that people hit pretty quickly, but never really get below, in their MTR2, I have no problem maintaining (and beating) in my S3 (for similar weight and height). I haven't had the chance to compare forward speed, but I know I'm consistently doing over 2.2:1, and 2.4:1 or 2.5:1 for good chunks of my flights (crosswind/no wind). However, it took many many jumps to get here. My theory is that if you gave someone a MTR2 and had them do 30 jumps on it, then went back in time and them jump the S3 30 times, they'd probably get better results from the MTR2. Given the same situation with 200 jumps, they'd probably be smoking in the S3. No, this is not a dis to Matter or its products, owners, or representatives. There is no atempt to open yet another can of worms here. 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outrager 6 #2 August 12, 2004 QuoteThat is better than i have done before..From plane 65km/hour average. I'm glad it flies well for you. Not to imply anything, but a well-fitting and well-flown S3 generaly outglides MTR2. You should be getting about the same time and noticeably more horizontal speed/distance in S3. As a reference point, my old S3 prototype was going about 60km/h vertical and 2.4 L/D on better flights. bsbd! Yuri. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #3 August 12, 2004 I believe you Bjorn. Although I don't base my M2 starts flying sooner than my S3. A few weeks ago it was already inflated just sitting in the helicopter and of course it was flying right off the step. My S3 takes a few seconds longer to inflate. I cannot wait to do some balloon exits with the Matter. As far as getting the fattest and flatest glide I tend to believe its the pilot that makes the majic happen less so the suit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #4 August 12, 2004 I'm glad it flies well for you. Not to imply anything, but a well-fitting and well-flown S3 generaly outglides MTR2. You should be getting about the same time and noticeably more horizontal speed/distance in S3. As a reference point, my old S3 prototype was going about 60km/h vertical and 2.4 L/D on better flights. bsbd! Yuri.Quote Most of the best wingsuit pilots have had an S3 for a few seasons now and had the time to tune their style to the way it flys best for them. The matter is less than a season new and it will be curious to see what the same very best pilots achieve with it after a while as it is different enough from flying the Bird-man suits. Maybe nothing new and the generalization that the S3 maintains more drive will stand or maybe something interesting. Yuri please tell us about your old prototype S3. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites outrager 6 #5 August 12, 2004 Quote Yuri please tell us about your old prototype S3. Nothing exciting, really - one of the last prototypes before S3 came out. Basically S3 with slightly smaller arm wings and no grippers. Marginally inferior to a production version but it fit me well and flew ok so i never bothered to change. You have a valid point on experience levels of S3 vs MTR, but it also appears that MTR's learning curve is faster. It is a good thing by itself, however i do not believe that extra time will significantly improve the numbers we see. Even on S3 that takes a while to finetune i only had a marginal gain between the 1st and 2nd seasons. Could somebody post GPS distance data for MTR base flights so we have a reference point here? bsbd! Yuri. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ManBird 0 #6 August 12, 2004 QuoteYou have a valid point on experience levels of S3 vs MTR, but it also appears that MTR's learning curve is faster. It is a good thing by itself, however i do not believe that extra time will significantly improve the numbers we see.This seems to be what I hear about a lot of monowing suits. That you can fly them pretty well right away, and then you learn to max them out in a very short time. I think the S3 has a much steeper learning curve, but more potential. The fall rates that people hit pretty quickly, but never really get below, in their MTR2, I have no problem maintaining (and beating) in my S3 (for similar weight and height). I haven't had the chance to compare forward speed, but I know I'm consistently doing over 2.2:1, and 2.4:1 or 2.5:1 for good chunks of my flights (crosswind/no wind). However, it took many many jumps to get here. My theory is that if you gave someone a MTR2 and had them do 30 jumps on it, then went back in time and them jump the S3 30 times, they'd probably get better results from the MTR2. Given the same situation with 200 jumps, they'd probably be smoking in the S3. No, this is not a dis to Matter or its products, owners, or representatives. There is no atempt to open yet another can of worms here. These are simply my views on a message board, and therefore should be not be taken to heart."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
outrager 6 #5 August 12, 2004 Quote Yuri please tell us about your old prototype S3. Nothing exciting, really - one of the last prototypes before S3 came out. Basically S3 with slightly smaller arm wings and no grippers. Marginally inferior to a production version but it fit me well and flew ok so i never bothered to change. You have a valid point on experience levels of S3 vs MTR, but it also appears that MTR's learning curve is faster. It is a good thing by itself, however i do not believe that extra time will significantly improve the numbers we see. Even on S3 that takes a while to finetune i only had a marginal gain between the 1st and 2nd seasons. Could somebody post GPS distance data for MTR base flights so we have a reference point here? bsbd! Yuri. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #6 August 12, 2004 QuoteYou have a valid point on experience levels of S3 vs MTR, but it also appears that MTR's learning curve is faster. It is a good thing by itself, however i do not believe that extra time will significantly improve the numbers we see.This seems to be what I hear about a lot of monowing suits. That you can fly them pretty well right away, and then you learn to max them out in a very short time. I think the S3 has a much steeper learning curve, but more potential. The fall rates that people hit pretty quickly, but never really get below, in their MTR2, I have no problem maintaining (and beating) in my S3 (for similar weight and height). I haven't had the chance to compare forward speed, but I know I'm consistently doing over 2.2:1, and 2.4:1 or 2.5:1 for good chunks of my flights (crosswind/no wind). However, it took many many jumps to get here. My theory is that if you gave someone a MTR2 and had them do 30 jumps on it, then went back in time and them jump the S3 30 times, they'd probably get better results from the MTR2. Given the same situation with 200 jumps, they'd probably be smoking in the S3. No, this is not a dis to Matter or its products, owners, or representatives. There is no atempt to open yet another can of worms here. These are simply my views on a message board, and therefore should be not be taken to heart."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
