Sonic 0 #1 December 21, 2002 How much of a difference will the 9 foot bridle make on a "normal" freefall dive (RW, FF etc) compared with a normal length bridle. Just more snatch force?----------------------------------- It's like something out of that twilighty show about that zone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #2 December 21, 2002 I haven't noticed any difference at all. I'm more used to a 9' bridle anyway, though, so your results may vary.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #3 December 21, 2002 I jump nine-foot bridles on both of my rigs and don't notice any notable difference. True, your "snatch" does not come for a half second later, but that is fine with me. It certainly does not hamper my surfs if that is what you are asking. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #4 December 22, 2002 In anticipation of ordering my Bird-Man suit early next year I went ahead and had Cazer Paraloft make me a PC with a 9' bridle. I've put about 12 jumps on it so far. The only difference I can tell is that I can now really feel when the PC inflates and hits bridle-stretch. There's a bit of a "twang" kinda' feel, but that's all I've noticed. My snatch and opening forces are the same, if not smoother since I think it's a better quality PC than what came with my rig. KrisSky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NathanL100 0 #5 December 23, 2002 I'm just about to order a Classic II and I was curious how important the 9 ft bridle is.Base # 942 The race is long and in the end, its only with yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kevin922 0 #6 December 23, 2002 QuoteI'm just about to order a Classic II and I was curious how important the 9 ft bridle is. It's not :) In my opinion.. I don't have a 9 ft bridle on my rig and i have no problems when it comes to deployment.. very seldom I get line twists but that's due to the rig not having a birdman mod rather than the bridle. Kevin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #7 December 24, 2002 If you pull in a full track and do not sit up, then you will be able to tell you have a hesitation with a standard bridle. If you pack with your lines to your back and your grommet straight to the pin, then sit up at about the 1.5 second mark after throw, then you may never experience a hesitation. If you don't do all these things, then I can guarantee you are gonna get caught low at some point. Me? I jump a nine foot bridle all the time now and it only helps. I also always pack "pin to grommet" and that also helps. Bottom line is that there is absolutely no downside to jumping a nine-foot BM bridle. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #8 December 29, 2002 I, too, jump with a 9' bridle. I think the main difference is that it is less likely to end up in the middle your burble, and if it does, it's more likely to fall out quickly and catch air. On deployment, I've noticed that it just takes a half-second longer to get the d-bag out. The pilot chute also gets noticeably further away. I now dump in a full track. With a standard bridle, I had the bag hit my foot a couple times when dumping in a full track. The extra bridle allows the PC to lift up enough and get far enough away to increase the angle between your body and the PC, thus creating a path with more separation for the bag to follow. Now that I have my Wings, I also pack grommet-to-pin, which is good on any skydive (could not do so on my old Racer). The other option is to just sit up when you dump (that sounds... so wrong). But 9' bridle is definitely recommended."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sonic 0 #9 January 2, 2003 How much does this cost? I'm assuming I need a new pc as well?----------------------------------- It's like something out of that twilighty show about that zone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #10 January 3, 2003 I got my Cazer Paraloft 28" ZP PC with 9' bridle and leather hackey for $85 USD from SkyKat. Cazer PC's are about the best you can get. This is my second Cazer and they are about as rock-solid, over-built, and perfect as is possible. My only complaint is that they don't offer a monkey-fist handle, since I really like the weight and tactile feel of them, especially in colder weather. Since mine was custom-colored and custom-length it had to be made to order. I got it 5 days after calling SkyKat. Not too shabby.If you don't get a Cazer, the only other PC I would recommend would be one by Auger Inn (Has the monkey-fist handle. Quite nice.) which can also be purchased from SkyKat. Kris Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martini 0 #11 January 18, 2004 Is it possible to make a 2' extension for my 7' cazer bridle for wingsuit flying? Is there that much difference? If I have to go to a new 9' bridle it seems logical to get it on a new pc.....but I'd like to save the 85 bucks.Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Supergeil 0 #12 January 18, 2004 Do you got cut corners and do you pack grommets to pin? Got a G3 my self with cut corners and standard bridel and had a coupel of twits with the normal packing way....? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #13 January 18, 2004 I am not sure how you could do that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martini 0 #14 January 19, 2004 My current canopy will pack grommet up, not so sure about a bigger rag. Not planning on cutting the corners on my container but I'll talk to Kelly about it (at Velocity Sports). Sitting up after the throw is probably useful. I haven't completely figured out how to do a bridle extension but it appears that it would have to be outside the bag and have a kill line extension too. Probably way more trouble than it's worth.Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #15 January 19, 2004 Paul, I think I will opt for the long bridle and a new pilot chute.. I had a fully inflated PC in tow on Sat and finally cleared it by reaching back and pulling the bridle with a head down move to blow the shit off my back.. and that was in my RW suit.. It was a good thing I had planned on dumping high at 4500, The Protrack said I had deployment at 2100...it is DEFINITELY NEW PC time... I think it scared the guy I was jumping with almost as much as I was. I hate that crap...I was getting very close to green pillow/brand new silver handle. I knew where I was.. and my twin Pro tracks had not started screaming yet. I just figured it was best to get that thing off my back and not fire my reserve into it. I replaced my closing loop and made it a tad longer after that too. It had been shortened up down at Eloy and was ok when everything was nice and dry and packing small... BUT it is a bit more damp here and closing is a bit harder up here. And yes I did a pin check beforehand.. not THAT tight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GroundZero 0 #16 January 19, 2004 QuoteIs it possible to make a 2' extension for my 7' cazer bridle for wingsuit flying? Is there that much difference? If I have to go to a new 9' bridle it seems logical to get it on a new pc.....but I'd like to save the 85 bucks. Sure it's possible to modify anything out there... But you wanna save $85 bucks, on a new pilotchute that will do the job intended... I thought i was cheap! Buy the equipment required. Or modify it as neccessary... changing the bridal on that set-up can probably be done for about $90.... don't save money, buy gear that you need... Am I missing something here? Come on here people... I'm exiting airplanes, what are you doing that 85 or 90 bucks makes that much difference? My skateboard wheels cost more than that! Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martini 0 #17 January 20, 2004 Actually I wasn't interested in how you think I should spend my money. But I agree (and have given other jumpers flak) that being a cheapskate with pc stuff is foolish. I am interested in rigging though and if I could build a safe bridle extension for five bucks worth of materials and my free labor then that's exactly what I'd do. You also may have noticed that I've already resigned myself to buying a new Cazer 9' bridle with a new pc. Personally I support anyone who shows an interest in improving and innovating equipment for any reason. Thats how the stuff that you and I are using today got here. Including your skateboard wheels.Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martini 0 #18 January 20, 2004 Jeanne, I'm impressed with your coolness and presence of mind in dealing with your pc in tow. Especially the hand pull on the bridle. Ditching that old pc is a real good idea. About two years ago Doc was jumping a rig with a pc that was known to be worn out (and improperly constructed). It eventually caused a mal and chop. For the guy who borrowed the rig. The rigger doing the repack wouldn't even let met have the pc to mess with, said he was going to burn it. Probably the best plan.Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pattersd 0 #19 January 20, 2004 I'm the idiot that jumped doc's worn out pilot chute, with full knowledge that it was having problems and what had been done to try and make it work for a little bit longer. It made for an interesting jump, hop-n-pop from 3500 with a short delay then a very long hesitation and a sniveling opening with many line twists at 1700' into a spin on my back looking up at the canopy with the ground below it. watching the three rings release and pulling the reserve, still on my back. Lesson learned, if you know the gear needs some repair/replacement don't say it will work for another jump, just go fix it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martini 0 #20 January 21, 2004 I'm sure that the fact that I happened to have packed that rig before you jumped it had nothing to do with the mal. Well I was planning on jumping it myself. (but at the time wasn't aware of the pc problem). In retrospect it seems apparent that bad body position was the real problem.Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaMan 0 #21 January 21, 2004 Rob at Morpheous is extending mine for $20 and putting dynamic corners on my wife's rig for $55...so yes, it can be done; I just wanted to stay with Sunpath parts. If you like after-market (I sometimes do), go for the Cazer.Z-Flock 8 Discotec Rodriguez Too bad weapons grade stupidity doesn't lead to sterility. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
