storm1977 0 #1 September 9, 2003 I have a triathlon 190 which is VERY snively... we're talking 1200-1500ft openings. This is when packed by a couple riggers I know. They do NOT roll the nose, and when jumping other rigs packed by them the openings were much sharper and quicker. I packed the chute myself the otherday and it took about 1100 ft from pull to open. My question is, if I flat pack it, will it more than likely open quicker than a pro pack would? Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #2 September 9, 2003 Nope, will open about the same.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #3 September 9, 2003 It makes no sense. You can roll or not roll both ways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pablito 0 #4 September 9, 2003 A flat pack opens faster than a Pro pack. I know a few base jumpers that they choos the type of pack job for the especific object. Those are my 2 cents. I don't know the principals behind it and I will appreciate if someone can illustrate me about it. Thanks Cielos Azules Pablito "If you don't overcome your fears they will overcome you first" Shady Monkey/6Segundos Rodriguez/AKA Pablito Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adamjenner 0 #5 September 9, 2003 depends really I would think flat would open maybe a tad bit faster. Then again what do i know. In flat pack just don't roll the nose before/when stacking i would assume i don't have much experience in pro-pack yet so i wouldn't be able to tell you much Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cwn 0 #6 September 9, 2003 I also jump a Triathlon 190 (WL 1.25) however it opens in around 500feet . It would be easier to help you if you answered a few questions: What is your wing loading on that canopy? How many jumps are on the canopy? How many jumps are on the line set? What size pilot chute are you using? How many jumps are on the pilot chute? If the canopy is snively then you could propack it and roll the tail to either side the nose which will leave the nose of the canopy sticking out of the pack job. This is an easy way to speed up an opening. You should also check if the pilot chute is undersized or worn. I propack my BASE canopy and have no problem adjusting the opening speed to what is need on different types of BASE jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #7 September 9, 2003 QuoteA flat pack opens faster than a Pro pack. I know a few base jumpers that they choos the type of pack job for the especific object. The Flat pack that you are thinking of is not a Flat pack. It's A PRO- pack done on the ground rather than over your shoulder. The tail is left neatly flaked on top of the pack job rather than wrapped around and rolled up. All My reserves and all my BASE packs are PRO-packed. Flat Packing and Pro-Packing will open about the same on a skydiving parachute. Keep in mind that if you lose control of the pack job and the slider is just a teeny bit down the lines, THAT will greatly affect the opening speed. I've gone so far as the Pro-Pack, Flat Pack and Roll Pack my Xaos just for the fun of it. It all opened the same.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #8 September 9, 2003 Quotedepends really I would think flat would open maybe a tad bit faster. Then again what do i know. In flat pack just don't roll the nose before/when stacking i would assume i don't have much experience in pro-pack yet so i wouldn't be able to tell you much Depends on what?My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #9 September 10, 2003 QuoteWhat is your wing loading on that canopy? How many jumps are on the canopy? How many jumps are on the line set? What size pilot chute are you using? How many jumps are on the pilot chute? 1. I load the canopy at 1:1 2. The canopy only has 10 jumps on it. 3. The lines have just 10 jumps as well. Also, the lines are dacron I think. They are not the micr lines... Much thicker and more stretchy. 4. I don't know the size of the PC nor the # of jumps it has, but it does look a bit dirty and old compared to the chute. One thing I will say is that the slider is having a tough time coming down to the links. I am sure the slider may be the biggest problem. In fact after my control check typically the slider is still a good 6" up the lines. Flaring doesn't seem to bring it down, so when I got to colapes it, I have to first pull it down with my hand. I asked my rigger about the size of the slider and he said it was the correct size, and shouldn't be a problem. Don't get me wrong...I like the soft openings, but, I just feel like I have to pull higher than I normally would. I jumped a helicopter the other day, and was quite nervous. My hard deck is 2500, and if that thing isn't fully inflated, I am getting rid of it. I jumped at 5k, was terminal at around 4k, pitched at ~3800, and was luckily just open before 2500. On my last 8 jumps with this chute, once I pitch th pc, I feel something slapping me on my sides and back for about 4-5 seconds. It is the closing flaps on the rig. I am still falling pretty f'in quick 4-5 seconds into opening. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #10 September 10, 2003 It sounds like the bag is not coming off in a timely fashion. Try a new PC. Sparky Are you sure your PC is cocked?My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #11 September 10, 2003 Yes.. I am sure it is cocked. I just had my rigger remark the window too because it was a bit light. chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #12 September 10, 2003 Try having a camerflyer film your deployment and see it reveals anything.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clownburner 0 #13 September 10, 2003 I have a Triathlon 220 with the same problem (1000-1200 ft opening every time). I discussed it at length with a couple local riggers and on the phone with Aerodyne. The newer Tri's have big sliders, and if you want it to open faster, you'll need to get a smaller one. Aerodyne offered to trade me a smaller one for free, so I'd say give them a call and see what they say.7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
