vonSanta 0 #1 September 9, 2003 Am getting my own rig in March next year. Right now I got 46 jumps. Sister is buying a new one and being the kind person she is she's offered me a fine deal on her old (pink and purple Am planning to use the time until then to jump smaller canopies than what I'm jumping now (190s and 240s). The canopy in her rig is a Safire 149. We weight about the same on account of me being a skinny bugger (140lbs) which with gear on would give me a wingload of about 1.08. My sister started jumping it after 48 jumps. I plan on getting more jumps before that. Smallest I've jumped so far has been a Sabre 190, but that's going to change. Am I being too aggressive, planning to jump this canopy by June next year? A 1.08 wingload doesn't *sound* like too much, but whaddaIknow? Santa Von GrossenArsch I only come in one flavour ohwaitthatcanbemisunderst Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #2 September 9, 2003 The thing about Safire's is they are measured differently then other canopies. If you were to lay a Sabre2 135 on top of that Safire 149 they would be almost the same in size. Figure your wingloading to be more like 1.19:1 on the Safire.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pablito 0 #3 September 9, 2003 Speak to your instructors, they should be able to guide you through your progression. Ask questions and make a plan. then put the plan to work. Cielos Azules Pablito "If you don't overcome your fears they will overcome you first" Shady Monkey/6Segundos Rodriguez/AKA Pablito Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #4 September 9, 2003 QuoteThe thing about Safire's is they are measured differently then other canopies. If you were to lay a Sabre2 135 on top of that Safire 149 they would be almost the same in size. Figure your wingloading to be more like 1.19:1 on the Safire. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To further complicate your equation, Icarus Corporation changed their measuring method in January 2001. Before 2001 they used a method vaguely related to the old PIA standard, now they use a measuring method similar to Performance Designs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
towerrat 0 #5 September 9, 2003 the Safire is a great flying canopy but as already mentioned is cut differently. Also, through personal experience and an incident on our DZ, I have not found them to be the most forgiving canopy when it comes to landing. I will not slam any canopy or manufacturer, but I think some parachutes make better beginner canopies than others.Possibly you could see what's available to trade? Alot of people really love their Safires, but I find them to be a little more experienced. ---------------------Play stupid games, win stupid prizes! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #6 September 9, 2003 I bet you could trade that canopy pretty easily for a slightly larger one (that would still fit in the rig) with someone looking to downsize.Skydiving is for cool people only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMFin 0 #7 September 9, 2003 QuoteQuoteThe thing about Safire's is they are measured differently then other canopies. If you were to lay a Sabre2 135 on top of that Safire 149 they would be almost the same in size. Figure your wingloading to be more like 1.19:1 on the Safire. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To further complicate your equation, Icarus Corporation changed their measuring method in January 2001. Before 2001 they used a method vaguely related to the old PIA standard, now they use a measuring method similar to Performance Designs. This is true. Anyway, to me it seems like Performance Designs is the one that measures differently. According to my memory most of the other manufacturers measures pretty close to the PIA standard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vonSanta 0 #8 September 10, 2003 Thanks for advice chaps Santa Von GrossenArsch I only come in one flavour ohwaitthatcanbemisunderst Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brits17 0 #9 September 10, 2003 it all depends on what you're comfortable with. i started jumping my safire at 100 jumps, loading it slightly over 1:1. i learned on that canopy, i still have it as my backup, still flies great. however, another jumper who's my size and has more experience than i, felt uncomfortable after putting a few jumps on it. she went from a sabre135 to testing my safire109 and found it to be unexpetidly faster and more responsive. just depends on where YOU are at and what YOU are comfortable with. always ask questions. _______________________ aerialkinetics.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #10 September 10, 2003 It is my opinion that putting students out on Mantas and other barge-sized canopies is a mixed blessing. Sure, they can screw up and not get hurt too much, but on the other hand it teaches habits that get ingrained in muscle memory and that need to be unlearned when transitioning to higher performance canopies. At our DZ the philosophy is that students should train on the stuff they will want to jump when licensed. Seems to work. I watch our students doing multi-stage flares on their (largish) SabreIIs and getting nice (modest) swoops, while flying the canopy through the flare. I watch students at other DZs on their Mantas etc. who just haul the toggles all the way down when they reach 15 feet or so agl; a habit that will be hard to break later.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iamspoild 0 #11 September 10, 2003 1.0 can be a hot ride on a small enough canopy. I'm pretty dang green though... so what do I know. check this (if you're interested) - especailly "Sue's" expericence on a 135. http://www.performancedesigns.com/docs/choosing1.pdf Ya, I plunked this into another thread as well... It just has, well, good facts! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeNReN 0 #12 September 11, 2003 As a person who has only jumped "barge"sized canopies and does not have access to smaller ones...i have posted a Q about gear to purchase..unfortunatly,I have only recievied one responce....maybe you could find it in your heart to respond to mine??????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vonSanta 0 #13 September 11, 2003 Ah, well I've done multi staged flares on the Sabre 190. have to do it even with the new Navigator 240 (club rig) when there's modest winds. It's not alien to me. My plan is to do a number of jumps on a 170 I borrow off someone and if I feel confident, then take the Safire up on a day with favourable winds. It's still a long time til that though (next year). Santa Von GrossenArsch I only come in one flavour ohwaitthatcanbemisunderst Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
