WayneRATS 0 #1 August 26, 2003 ok silly idea get some dracon line tie it around one of the links that links the riser to the main silly idea dangerous? good idea? views please------------------------ Can You Ere Me Now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #2 August 26, 2003 Your going to find dacron line will be too thin and cut into your hands when trying to use it as dive loops. One customer added 1 1/2 welded rings into his front french links to use a "blocks". I've never liked this idea (for no good reason) but he's been using them for years. Temporary dive loops made from 1" pull up cords would be easier on the hands. It will be hard to get your hands in and maybe out if your just using loops flying free. It takes all of 5 minutes to sew some on. Ask the closet gear shop/rigger.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #3 August 26, 2003 Quote1" pull up cords would be easier on the hands. It will be hard to get your hands in and maybe out if your just using loops flying free. It takes all of 5 minutes to sew some on. Ask the closet gear shop/rigger. Carefull there... as I remember, someone had a pretty bad landing when his/her pull-up-cord loop let go when in front risers.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #4 August 26, 2003 I have seen pull-up cord dive loops fail, in the middle of a hook turn. There was another incident where a jumper couldn't get their finger(s) out of a home made dive loop and were lucky to live but did get busted up pretty good. Buy new risers with dive loops on them from the factory. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WayneRATS 0 #5 August 26, 2003 i'll stick with em till i get me new canopy (i'm flying an f111 190 at the mo lol so it's not getting swooped then it's time to get the new risers with slinks and dive loops cheers for the quick responces and as ever great words of wisdom ------------------------ Can You Ere Me Now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #6 August 26, 2003 Why not just have your rigger throw a few bartacks into your risers across some Ty IV tape and be done with it? If you never use them again it's not like they're in the way or anything... "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WayneRATS 0 #7 August 26, 2003 he's on holiday and usually take a few months to do anything..------------------------ Can You Ere Me Now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #8 August 26, 2003 QuoteCarefull there... as I remember, someone had a pretty bad landing when his/her pull-up-cord loop let go when in front risers. Yep. Happened to one of my friends and he's very lucky to be skydiving today. Hit the ground pretty freekin' hard and was in the hospital for a loooong time.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kitof1976 0 #9 August 26, 2003 QuoteI have seen pull-up cord dive loops fail, in the middle of a hook turn. There was another incident where a jumper couldn't get their finger(s) out of a home made dive loop and were lucky to live but did get busted up pretty good. Buy new risers with dive loops on them from the factory. Derek I don't know why but that seems like a darn good advice to me. I don't know much about rigging, but it just seem that jimmy rigging your gear is not a good idea... Factory risers sound the best option to me "We see the world just the way we are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wags 0 #10 August 26, 2003 QuoteI have seen pull-up cord dive loops fail, in the middle of a hook turn. Maybe this post belongs somewhere else, but first off, I must say I agree that if you get anything done to your gear, get it done right. As far as a dive loop breaking in a hook turn. When I hear that term, I can't help but envision someone jabbing a toggle, or dive loop, swinging themselves out from under there canopy. If a dive loop breaks at this time, yes, you are screwed. But, as anyone that is into high speed landings should know by now, that is not the way to get the long swoops, and it is also very unsafe. A proper "swoop" is a slow controlled front riser turn. This leaves much room for error. If a toggle breaks you can get into the break toggle, and save yourself. Blue Skies, Wags Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #11 August 26, 2003 Think about front riser blocks also: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=167385;search_string=dive%20blocks;#167385 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=403663;search_string=dive%20blocks;#403663 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=461105;search_string=dive%20blocks;#461105 Do a search for further discussion. My 150 jump opinion is that having your hands in a loop other than your brake toggle is kind of spooky while near the ground. I have vet wrap on my dive loops that give me a very effective handle. They pack bulkier than normal sewn blocks but it's just looks. I like doing CRW and find it handy to be able to easily grab and release."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WayneRATS 0 #12 August 27, 2003 does it need to be a rigger that bartacks the loops on or if you've got the right thread etc can i just do it meself?------------------------ Can You Ere Me Now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #13 August 27, 2003 What I did was get vet wrap and wrapped it around my diveloops inside and then outside so it created an effective knob. When you sew the blocks on you'll probably want them higher on the risers so you have more range. I'll grab a link I saw on here to a nice set of blocks. I've never sewn anything on my risers myself. I don't know what the requirements are regarding work on your own main and risers but I would have my rigger do it or at least get his assistance and get a lesson to boot. Sticking things through your risers will make them weaker, better to do it right. Edit to add link: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=464431#464431 Also, one point about blocks is that if they're too big then you cannot pull your slider over them to stow behind your neck."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #14 August 27, 2003 You can do it yourself if you know how.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #15 August 28, 2003 If you've got your own bartacker and aren't a rigger I might wonder what you're doing with it but... anyone can do anything they want to their own main risers (not that it's necessarily intelligent to). They're not part of the TSOd system, so play with them as you feel safe to do so. If you're not using a bartacker machine, I would suggest you use a doubled 3 or 4 point or a doubled box-X in E-thread or larger. If you don't know what this means I might suggest finding someone else to do the work for you. It'd be a real bummer to have one of those puppies let go in the midst of a hooky-hook. "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WayneRATS 0 #16 August 28, 2003 hehe ok non of that jargon makes sence so i'll have to wait till darren gets back ------------------------ Can You Ere Me Now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #17 August 28, 2003 What's sad is that I understood all of that. I really need to start working on my rigger's ticket.Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WayneRATS 0 #18 August 28, 2003 i'll send you my risers so you can get practicing ------------------------ Can You Ere Me Now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #19 August 28, 2003 It's not that I don't want you to learn or experiment, man. I would just hate to see you get hurt as a result. If it interests you, start hanging around your rigger and picking up some tips/tricks/skills! "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WayneRATS 0 #20 August 28, 2003 i fully understand that angle, i don't want to spam in either, getting some different risers with dive loops ------------------------ Can You Ere Me Now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WayneRATS 0 #21 November 10, 2003 just to update you got some lovley dive loops stitched on by a rigger...... for free.... y'know it's stuff like that thats good... hows about some freefly mods on the house as well? [:D]------------------------ Can You Ere Me Now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
