rhys 0 #1 May 24, 2005 i'm just getting into a bit of amonauti and i'm wondering how many people have managed to succesfully fly atmonauti in a head up/feet first position? i've seen gi do it in videos feet first belly up and she told me that a guy in holland can do it feet first belly down."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
breadhead 0 #2 May 24, 2005 Actually it's a guy from Belgium (not Holland). http://www.vertigofreefly.com/pics/vertigo/fifi spock.jpg http://www.vertigofreefly.com/pics/fun/fifi diagonal joker.jpg I've seen Omar do both (feet first belly up and feet first belly down). Iirc, Loki freefly team does it too (belly up). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ccowden 0 #3 May 24, 2005 I was on a dive this weekend where Mike Wittenburg of Loki was flying head up atmonauti. Pretty sweet! I was all over the place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #4 May 25, 2005 shit hot, cheers 4 for the pics. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #5 May 25, 2005 still looks like a steep tracking dive to me.. feet first tracks are very cool... Ive seen Omar and Andy F transition back and forth like it was nothing.... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OzoneJunkie 0 #6 May 25, 2005 For those of you uncomfortable with the term "Atmonauti", and feel it's really just steep flocking, I offer the newer term: FlockMitDocki. Enjoy... :P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #7 May 25, 2005 cool, now you have to add a TM and insist that is it "really really different" from anything that has come before... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #8 May 26, 2005 Quote cool, now you have to add a TM and insist that is it "really really different" from anything that has come before... i don't get your point, there 'is' a comercial tandem atmonauti operation. for first timers, it is slower (vertically) than ordanary drouge fall. are you trying to say that atmonauti is not different to tracking?"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ccowden 0 #9 May 26, 2005 I think by TM he means Trademark. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #10 May 26, 2005 Quote I think by TM he means Trademark. ***oh how silly of me its just a name. amosphere navigation. that is what it is. tracking sounds too limited."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites OzoneJunkie 0 #11 May 26, 2005 ...and atmosphere navigator was a far leep from atmosphere dolphin... *ahem!* ;) Funny, though, when asked on a plane what I'm doing, I just find it easier to say atmonauti, and people (most?) know what I mean, as opposed to "steap tracking" or whatever. "atmosphere navigator" is just too loose of a term, to me, though - it doesn't relate in a logical way to "45 degree tracking". Someone who doesn't know what atmonauti means isn't going to intuit what it is from the term... .. but, whatever ;) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites j3zz 0 #12 May 26, 2005 Tandem atmonauti is mental, I did camera on an 8 way with Tandem Atmonauti Jump at the Atmonauti pro boogie, the Photo's are not great as it was a late load so lighting was not good. The Atmo Tandem is way slower than a normal drogueless tandem, and moves forward like you would not believe. Go to www.atmonauti.com for pics Tara Jezz(jeremy) "Now I know why the birds fly" Hinton Skydivers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Extrakt 0 #13 June 1, 2005 I like the name - angle way. One of the guys on the dz called it this. "If murder and suicide are illegal, then why is it ok to kill yourself and others with cigarettes?????" www.myspace.com/Hypoxicmusic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites OzoneJunkie 0 #14 June 1, 2005 I'm tending to say "steep tracking" more and more. Angleway isn't bad either. It at least attempts to convey what's happening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marcin 0 #15 June 1, 2005 In tracking you don't normally do 3D foot, foot-to-back, hand docks, flying in layers etc. For me atmo is that - creative vertical/horizontal relative work in an angle that allows it. Without the difficulties and limitations of headdown or "traditional" track. Atmo seems rarely be 45 deg, its more like 30 deg or less (especially with Gi :) ). I was doing average 156 km/h per pro-track. Falling on belly or "tracking" would be at least 185 km/h. Jezz - how are you man? Where do I see u next? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites OzoneJunkie 0 #16 June 1, 2005 Marcin - I agree - it can be thought of as a semi-distinct discipline. It's just that the term is meaningless (to me) to what it actually is... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marcin 0 #17 June 1, 2005 I don't know... It is the only relative work that happens not in fall, but in flight. You can dock with a person while you are directly above them, without falling on them (thank to fast glide and displaced burble) Using your logic, HD is no different from belly RW. We fall, we crack points. Bodyparts point in different direction.. oh, so what Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites OzoneJunkie 0 #18 June 2, 2005 Not true. Flocking and tracking have/are relative work. The point is that, calling something "atmosphere navigation" does not imply 45 degree angled flight, vs. flocking or tracking. It doesn't imply anything. Should we call tracking relative work something different? Although, if you think about it, tracking doesn't imply it's angle by definition either. Nor does flocking. So, really, I guess if you want to call it atmonauti, or flockmitdocki, or airflying, it doesn't really matter... ... I'll bow out now, and call it whatever I feel like on any given day... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #19 June 3, 2005 Quote It's just that the term is meaningless (to me) to what it actually is... get over it mate, they(gi & marco) defined and refined it so they can name it as they please. the section on thier dvd when they were flying relative to the aircraft while the aircraft was flying the angle.(no drouge, prop spinning)is fucking amazing. they even docked with the aircraft. atmonauti is a perfect name, it has only just begun and will influence skydiving in ways we can't even imagine yet."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites OzoneJunkie 0 #20 June 3, 2005 I'm over it. In fact, never was under it, really... call "it" whatever you want. And I do give high props to them for taking "it" to the next level. It's currently my jump discipline of choice - it's like learning headdown all over again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #21 June 7, 2005 QuoteIn tracking you don't normally do 3D foot, foot-to-back, hand docks, flying in layers etc. hmm sounds like your average 'skilled tracker' dive to me... but oh well... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marcin 0 #22 June 7, 2005 Few weeks ago in Brienne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites OzoneJunkie 0 #23 June 7, 2005 yo, nice picture :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #24 June 7, 2005 hmm sounds like your average 'skilled tracker' dive to me... but oh well... This eats at your soul, man..... and that is funny Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #25 June 8, 2005 no not really it is more amusing to see those who are all puffed up about 'inventing' something new... but i am a firm believer in not creating excessive, unnecessary new terminology for pre-existing activities just so you can claim "revolution" and pretend you invented something... maybe we should start calling every skydive "aerosphere navigation" and pretend its "totally different" from anything that comes before.. ps... unless your also going to be doing it in on Venus, Mars etc... you should be using "Aeronauti" .... but i guess that didnt meet the 'coolness' criteria....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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ccowden 0 #9 May 26, 2005 I think by TM he means Trademark. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #10 May 26, 2005 Quote I think by TM he means Trademark. ***oh how silly of me its just a name. amosphere navigation. that is what it is. tracking sounds too limited."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites OzoneJunkie 0 #11 May 26, 2005 ...and atmosphere navigator was a far leep from atmosphere dolphin... *ahem!* ;) Funny, though, when asked on a plane what I'm doing, I just find it easier to say atmonauti, and people (most?) know what I mean, as opposed to "steap tracking" or whatever. "atmosphere navigator" is just too loose of a term, to me, though - it doesn't relate in a logical way to "45 degree tracking". Someone who doesn't know what atmonauti means isn't going to intuit what it is from the term... .. but, whatever ;) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites j3zz 0 #12 May 26, 2005 Tandem atmonauti is mental, I did camera on an 8 way with Tandem Atmonauti Jump at the Atmonauti pro boogie, the Photo's are not great as it was a late load so lighting was not good. The Atmo Tandem is way slower than a normal drogueless tandem, and moves forward like you would not believe. Go to www.atmonauti.com for pics Tara Jezz(jeremy) "Now I know why the birds fly" Hinton Skydivers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Extrakt 0 #13 June 1, 2005 I like the name - angle way. One of the guys on the dz called it this. "If murder and suicide are illegal, then why is it ok to kill yourself and others with cigarettes?????" www.myspace.com/Hypoxicmusic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites OzoneJunkie 0 #14 June 1, 2005 I'm tending to say "steep tracking" more and more. Angleway isn't bad either. It at least attempts to convey what's happening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marcin 0 #15 June 1, 2005 In tracking you don't normally do 3D foot, foot-to-back, hand docks, flying in layers etc. For me atmo is that - creative vertical/horizontal relative work in an angle that allows it. Without the difficulties and limitations of headdown or "traditional" track. Atmo seems rarely be 45 deg, its more like 30 deg or less (especially with Gi :) ). I was doing average 156 km/h per pro-track. Falling on belly or "tracking" would be at least 185 km/h. Jezz - how are you man? Where do I see u next? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites OzoneJunkie 0 #16 June 1, 2005 Marcin - I agree - it can be thought of as a semi-distinct discipline. It's just that the term is meaningless (to me) to what it actually is... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marcin 0 #17 June 1, 2005 I don't know... It is the only relative work that happens not in fall, but in flight. You can dock with a person while you are directly above them, without falling on them (thank to fast glide and displaced burble) Using your logic, HD is no different from belly RW. We fall, we crack points. Bodyparts point in different direction.. oh, so what Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites OzoneJunkie 0 #18 June 2, 2005 Not true. Flocking and tracking have/are relative work. The point is that, calling something "atmosphere navigation" does not imply 45 degree angled flight, vs. flocking or tracking. It doesn't imply anything. Should we call tracking relative work something different? Although, if you think about it, tracking doesn't imply it's angle by definition either. Nor does flocking. So, really, I guess if you want to call it atmonauti, or flockmitdocki, or airflying, it doesn't really matter... ... I'll bow out now, and call it whatever I feel like on any given day... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #19 June 3, 2005 Quote It's just that the term is meaningless (to me) to what it actually is... get over it mate, they(gi & marco) defined and refined it so they can name it as they please. the section on thier dvd when they were flying relative to the aircraft while the aircraft was flying the angle.(no drouge, prop spinning)is fucking amazing. they even docked with the aircraft. atmonauti is a perfect name, it has only just begun and will influence skydiving in ways we can't even imagine yet."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites OzoneJunkie 0 #20 June 3, 2005 I'm over it. In fact, never was under it, really... call "it" whatever you want. And I do give high props to them for taking "it" to the next level. It's currently my jump discipline of choice - it's like learning headdown all over again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #21 June 7, 2005 QuoteIn tracking you don't normally do 3D foot, foot-to-back, hand docks, flying in layers etc. hmm sounds like your average 'skilled tracker' dive to me... but oh well... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marcin 0 #22 June 7, 2005 Few weeks ago in Brienne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites OzoneJunkie 0 #23 June 7, 2005 yo, nice picture :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #24 June 7, 2005 hmm sounds like your average 'skilled tracker' dive to me... but oh well... 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OzoneJunkie 0 #11 May 26, 2005 ...and atmosphere navigator was a far leep from atmosphere dolphin... *ahem!* ;) Funny, though, when asked on a plane what I'm doing, I just find it easier to say atmonauti, and people (most?) know what I mean, as opposed to "steap tracking" or whatever. "atmosphere navigator" is just too loose of a term, to me, though - it doesn't relate in a logical way to "45 degree tracking". Someone who doesn't know what atmonauti means isn't going to intuit what it is from the term... .. but, whatever ;) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
j3zz 0 #12 May 26, 2005 Tandem atmonauti is mental, I did camera on an 8 way with Tandem Atmonauti Jump at the Atmonauti pro boogie, the Photo's are not great as it was a late load so lighting was not good. The Atmo Tandem is way slower than a normal drogueless tandem, and moves forward like you would not believe. Go to www.atmonauti.com for pics Tara Jezz(jeremy) "Now I know why the birds fly" Hinton Skydivers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Extrakt 0 #13 June 1, 2005 I like the name - angle way. One of the guys on the dz called it this. "If murder and suicide are illegal, then why is it ok to kill yourself and others with cigarettes?????" www.myspace.com/Hypoxicmusic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OzoneJunkie 0 #14 June 1, 2005 I'm tending to say "steep tracking" more and more. Angleway isn't bad either. It at least attempts to convey what's happening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcin 0 #15 June 1, 2005 In tracking you don't normally do 3D foot, foot-to-back, hand docks, flying in layers etc. For me atmo is that - creative vertical/horizontal relative work in an angle that allows it. Without the difficulties and limitations of headdown or "traditional" track. Atmo seems rarely be 45 deg, its more like 30 deg or less (especially with Gi :) ). I was doing average 156 km/h per pro-track. Falling on belly or "tracking" would be at least 185 km/h. Jezz - how are you man? Where do I see u next? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OzoneJunkie 0 #16 June 1, 2005 Marcin - I agree - it can be thought of as a semi-distinct discipline. It's just that the term is meaningless (to me) to what it actually is... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcin 0 #17 June 1, 2005 I don't know... It is the only relative work that happens not in fall, but in flight. You can dock with a person while you are directly above them, without falling on them (thank to fast glide and displaced burble) Using your logic, HD is no different from belly RW. We fall, we crack points. Bodyparts point in different direction.. oh, so what Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OzoneJunkie 0 #18 June 2, 2005 Not true. Flocking and tracking have/are relative work. The point is that, calling something "atmosphere navigation" does not imply 45 degree angled flight, vs. flocking or tracking. It doesn't imply anything. Should we call tracking relative work something different? Although, if you think about it, tracking doesn't imply it's angle by definition either. Nor does flocking. So, really, I guess if you want to call it atmonauti, or flockmitdocki, or airflying, it doesn't really matter... ... I'll bow out now, and call it whatever I feel like on any given day... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #19 June 3, 2005 Quote It's just that the term is meaningless (to me) to what it actually is... get over it mate, they(gi & marco) defined and refined it so they can name it as they please. the section on thier dvd when they were flying relative to the aircraft while the aircraft was flying the angle.(no drouge, prop spinning)is fucking amazing. they even docked with the aircraft. atmonauti is a perfect name, it has only just begun and will influence skydiving in ways we can't even imagine yet."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites OzoneJunkie 0 #20 June 3, 2005 I'm over it. In fact, never was under it, really... call "it" whatever you want. And I do give high props to them for taking "it" to the next level. It's currently my jump discipline of choice - it's like learning headdown all over again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #21 June 7, 2005 QuoteIn tracking you don't normally do 3D foot, foot-to-back, hand docks, flying in layers etc. hmm sounds like your average 'skilled tracker' dive to me... but oh well... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marcin 0 #22 June 7, 2005 Few weeks ago in Brienne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites OzoneJunkie 0 #23 June 7, 2005 yo, nice picture :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #24 June 7, 2005 hmm sounds like your average 'skilled tracker' dive to me... but oh well... This eats at your soul, man..... and that is funny Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OzoneJunkie 0 #20 June 3, 2005 I'm over it. In fact, never was under it, really... call "it" whatever you want. And I do give high props to them for taking "it" to the next level. It's currently my jump discipline of choice - it's like learning headdown all over again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #21 June 7, 2005 QuoteIn tracking you don't normally do 3D foot, foot-to-back, hand docks, flying in layers etc. hmm sounds like your average 'skilled tracker' dive to me... but oh well... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcin 0 #22 June 7, 2005 Few weeks ago in Brienne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OzoneJunkie 0 #23 June 7, 2005 yo, nice picture :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #24 June 7, 2005 hmm sounds like your average 'skilled tracker' dive to me... but oh well... This eats at your soul, man..... and that is funny Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #25 June 8, 2005 no not really it is more amusing to see those who are all puffed up about 'inventing' something new... but i am a firm believer in not creating excessive, unnecessary new terminology for pre-existing activities just so you can claim "revolution" and pretend you invented something... maybe we should start calling every skydive "aerosphere navigation" and pretend its "totally different" from anything that comes before.. ps... unless your also going to be doing it in on Venus, Mars etc... you should be using "Aeronauti" .... but i guess that didnt meet the 'coolness' criteria....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
