freakydiver 0 #1 September 19, 2003 I know this is going to be a toughy to explain - but I'm really starting to try to work on flying my arms separately of my legs while in a sit - i.e. to take a front to front foot grip with my hand (two sitters facing eachother, me a little low, taking their right foot say with my right hand). I'm having difficulties trying to visualise how to move my left arm back while moving my right arm forward to take a grip - should it be as simple as that? I'd imagine I'd also need to adjust a with a tad bit more speed with my legs. Can anyone give me any pointers? Edit - I am taking a look at this: http://home.tiscali.be/vertigofreeflyteam/freefly_divepool_2003.pdf and looking at the sit pics for say the double spock - and it looks like legs are all square medium-fast fall rate, and the left arm is all the way back - do you just rotate your left arm back on the same plane it would be in a regular sit while moving the right arm forward in the same fashion??? Thanks in advance. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #2 September 19, 2003 Hmm - this is a good example of it I think - looks like (I think its Rook) is doing the bottom part of the sit at around :37 - :47. pnm://www.mondial03.com/FFM_USA_Devore_Nelson_R1.rm It looks like he just gets his opposite arm back simultaneously with the opposite move in the other arm... -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #3 September 19, 2003 Okay, here are the basic things you need to remember when doing docks with your hands while upright. Get a nice WIDE stance with your legs, with your hips forward. That will give you your stability to be free with your hands. (Thats very important) Then you want to think the same way you would when you pull, when you move one hand up, you move the other back to keep you in the same place. (i.e. If you're taking a right hand dock, move your left hand back.) Take a deep breath before you take the dock, relaxation and fluidity with the air is the key. Hope this helps!! Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #4 September 19, 2003 Absolutely - in fact, in my opinion, I think that is my main problem after looking at myself on video. I think I'm not getting my hips forward enough and I feel out of control when reaching a bit. Thanks! -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflybella 0 #5 September 19, 2003 After sitting in on many coached jump debriefs, most people don't realize howmuch they are compensating with their arms. If your hips are too far back (ie,. you're leaning, even slightly forward) you're backsliding - then you're having to push your arms back to counter the movement. It's a pretty unstable habit to get into. Your arms are not free to move around. Be sure to sit up straight and your arms should be in line with your torso (you should be able to see your hands in your peripheral vision). Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #6 September 19, 2003 Gotcha - that's what I've been working towards the past few sit jumps - I know have my hands maybe 4 inches off torso on average which is a heck of alot closer than it used to be. Sitting in this new position certainly goes against what I have engrained in my skull - but I know from looking at tons of video and pics that is the only way to be able to fly well. Thanks again! -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #7 September 22, 2003 I was really able to begin getting my arms even front to back with my torso and for the first real time ever, was able to move them around independent of what was going on down on my lower half. Now I'm lookinb forward to the oh so many docks that will surely follow! It was all in the torso and my original positioning. Too meach forward lean in the upper body. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowflake 0 #8 September 24, 2003 On solos try clapping your hands twice in front of your face then putting them back to normal without falling on your back.....helps with stability Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #9 September 24, 2003 HAH HAH! That's exactly what I did on saturday. It was the strangest feeling with my hands in front of me, but no buffeting in the rest of my sit whatsoever! Did I mention I love this sport? -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowflake 0 #10 September 24, 2003 well then how about this practcie a face off then 90 degree handdock face off 90 on the other hand. Then go to 180's no face off in between. Using only your hands to turn you. Gets you in the habit of flying to the dock instead of reaching, also since your using your hands to turn you'll probably use them to keep you from backsliding. That way you don't have to reach so far back to compensate for a dock. plus you'll have a little added stability from not using your legs to turn Right now where I am at if I'm going for a front dock I'll try to put myself at an angle to the person and then try to turn into the dock. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #11 September 24, 2003 Interesting - will give those a whirl! Thanks -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflybella 0 #12 September 25, 2003 Yay! Watch tons of video, especially of the great sit/feet flyers - you'll see that even in headup vert positions they move their legs around to counter the upper body movement! Don't go there yet - get your body used to the 'falling straight down' torso position - so you have a comfortable neutral base. Sitflying is ALOT harder, IMO, than headdown. It's way less stable - if you can get that together, headdown will be a breeze. Keep up the good work! Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflydrew 0 #13 September 25, 2003 Quote Sitflying is ALOT harder, IMO, than headdown. It's way less stable - if you can get that together, headdown will be a breeze. ] I completely agree... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #14 September 25, 2003 Seriously?? Nice Haven't foryaed into the hd world all that much quiet yet. I'm starting to be able to use my sit visualizations (i.e. I slack at work) much more effectively come weekend time. Blue ones. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vonSanta 0 #15 September 28, 2003 Good thread, this. Santa Von GrossenArsch I only come in one flavour ohwaitthatcanbemisunderst Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #16 September 29, 2003 Quote I'm starting to be able to use my sit visualizations (i.e. I slack at work) much more effectively come weekend time. So are people looking at you funny for sitting there with your arms out making "WHOOSH" sounds??? By the way, I agree with their statements about hd being easy once you get the sit. Learn to "feel the air" and know whether you're moving or not, and headdown will be no prob. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #17 September 29, 2003 Aww man - if you only knew!!! -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
