shotat 0 #1 August 5, 2003 Ok guys, I am ordering a new Javelin Odyssey from Mike at American skydiving systems this week and I have a question. Are Chest Rings a good or bad thing? I searched through all of the posts over the past 2 years and this subject has been pretty well discussed in general terms. The problem is that noone seems to have a good answer. Now that it has been a year since the last post I read, are chest rings a good idea and or, what do you think about yours? Remember, I am asking about an Odyssey but if someone has some good advice I sure do need it. I want to do the right thing spending that $1600.... ***How come all the rich kids get to make all of the jumps?*** Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #2 August 5, 2003 Unless you have large breasts (which I hope you dont have) Get the chest rings. They are good. Dont bother searching anymore. Come to me with all life's questions from now on! They make the rig fit better and probably help resale. I just ordered my new odyssey last week! Getting the new backpad too! Tried on an airspeed rig in zhills and its pretty sweet. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John4455 0 #3 August 5, 2003 The only down side is you can't get the wide chest strap with the chest rings(Javelin). It doesn't bother me but some people like the wide strap. I like my hip and chest rings on my Javelin. Very comforable. How do ya like it Johnny? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BBKid 0 #4 August 5, 2003 Not saying they are necessarily a bad thing, but you might want to read this post (go to the top of the thread). I asked the same question at my old DZ, and most people told me that if I was ordering new, it should fit fine without. I am also led to believe they affect harness inputs when trying to turn, whether this is true I don't know. Edit: my link didn't point to the right post. Nick --------------------------- "I've pierced my foot on a spike!!!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent 0 #5 August 5, 2003 Hi, I jumped two Javelin Odyssey thanks to my rigger Loic Jean-Albert. I did 40 jumps with chest rings and 10 jumps without chest rings. I ordered mine without chest rings, and it's very comfortable. Don't worry, demo both, anyway you can't go wrong. Laurent, La Reunion island, southern hemisphere http://perso.wanadoo.fr/windsurf/skydive/skydive.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #6 August 5, 2003 QuoteLaurent, La Reunion island, southern hemisphere La vie doit être très dure.... Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotat 0 #7 August 5, 2003 Ok, I give up, what the heck does that mean and how does it answer the question? ***How come all the rich kids get to make all of the jumps?*** Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BBKid 0 #8 August 5, 2003 He's taking the piss out of Laurent (or might just be jealous), by saying "oh, life must be hard", since La Reunion is pretty much paradise on Earth. No, it doesn't answer the question, is just says how we all feel! Nick --------------------------- "I've pierced my foot on a spike!!!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent 0 #9 August 5, 2003 --------------------------------------------------- ...since La Reunion is pretty much paradise on Earth. ---------------------------------------------------- Well, to be honest, I've to admit that I found my paradise on earth...We even see whales in indian ocean from our Pilatus, and had 5 cm of fresh snow on our volcano this sunday ! Shotat, If you join us in La Reunion you could demo Javelin Odyssey with, or without, chest rings! Both are good value for your money. I bought the Odyssey without chest rings because I felt it was softer (we jump all year with a T-Shirt). http://perso.wanadoo.fr/windsurf Southern hemisphere, we jump upside down ! Laurent, autrefois sur l'ile de La Reunion http://perso.wanadoo.fr/windsurf/skydive Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #10 August 5, 2003 QuoteThe only down side is you can't get the wide chest strap with the chest rings(Javelin). Sure you can, just have to request it.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
webracer 0 #11 August 5, 2003 Get the chest rings. I feel they allow proper articulation geometry. They also allow you to bring in your main liftwebs so they come over your shoulder parallel (much better for your shoulders). They bring your handles into better position as well. Instead of your main liftwebs curving down to the laterals, they form a ~30degree angle at the chest ring and go straight. IMO they are worth every penny, even though they will not likely add (much if any) to resale value. TroyTroy I am now free to exercise my downward mobility. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BBKid 0 #12 August 5, 2003 QuoteThey also allow you to bring in your main liftwebs so they come over your shoulder parallel (much better for your shoulders). But surely if your new rig is made to measure, the yoke should fit over your shoulders perfectly anyway, as long as you were measured and it was made correctly? I've never had a made to measure rig (still a student), but that's what a great number of people have told me. Nick --------------------------- "I've pierced my foot on a spike!!!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #13 August 6, 2003 QuoteThey also allow you to bring in your main liftwebs so they come over your shoulder parallel This also contributes to reducing the spread of your left and right riser groups and can increase the chance of linetwists. Know a guy who had 3 chops and was about send his canopy back as defective untill he tried wearing the rig the way it is suposed to be, and had no furthur problems. The rings we ineffective.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cam 0 #14 August 6, 2003 might depend on your body type. I ordered a new rig recently (talonFS) with chest rings and, being pretty narrow across the back, the effect of the chest rings was to reduce the span of the chest strap (when fastened) to about 4 inches across. this was really weired and put my handles in an odd place. there were other problems with the rig so PA rebuilt but after having seen pics of me with the rig on, they advised *against* chest rings. the replacement rig is without chest rings and it fits much more normally.. But for bigger people chest rings seem to make things fit snugger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #15 August 6, 2003 Agree, I have also a Talon from PA with chest rings. I am a fat bastard and for me its perfect and makes the whole thing sit perfect, also no problems with the risers etc. So it probably depends on both body build, personal preference and what type of jumps you do. If you do mostly RW, I recommend rings, if you do mostly freefly then don't use them. Reason being 1) Rings make it easier / more comfy to "move" your upper body which is good in RW 2) But rings could increase risk of rig coming off your shoulders in freefly at high speed.--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
webracer 0 #16 August 6, 2003 Cmon, do you have any real basis for the following statement? <<2) But rings could increase risk of rig coming off your shoulders in freefly at high speed. >>\ Try again. TroyTroy I am now free to exercise my downward mobility. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #17 August 6, 2003 QuoteCmon, do you have any real basis for the following statement? Well, maybe just an informal chat with a guy who produces rigs down here, i.e. he recommended not using chest rings if freeflying is your thing. You can take that any way you like, the guy seemed to know what he was talking about. Please note the qualifying language I was using "could increase risk"--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
webracer 0 #18 August 7, 2003 Well Gee, they should tell all the top freeflyers of the world, since 99% of them are using fully articulated rigs. Look at the pictures. If the rig fits right, chest rings or not, it will be safe freeflying at any speed (with regards to coming off your shoulders).Troy I am now free to exercise my downward mobility. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #19 August 7, 2003 QuoteWell Gee, they should tell all the top freeflyers of the world, since 99% of them are using fully articulated rigs Because you know 95% of all statistics are made up on the spot. Sheesh.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #20 August 7, 2003 QuoteWell Gee, they should tell all the top freeflyers of the world, since 99% of them are using fully articulated rigs. Look at the pictures. If the rig fits right, chest rings or not, it will be safe freeflying at any speed (with regards to coming off your shoulders). No need to be an ass about this - even if you do not agree. There IS a school of thought that chest rings are not ideal for free flying. I've got that from more then one source and it includes a rig manufacturer. No need to be so dismissive and using the bombastic 99% statements if you want a decent discusion or dialogue...--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
towerrat 0 #21 August 12, 2003 I don't bend at the chest...... I just can't see the reason for them. -----------------------------------------------------------Play stupid games, win stupid prizes! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #22 August 13, 2003 Put your rig on, stand in front of a mirror and bend side-to-side at the waist. Watch your chest strap. For me, there is a difference between my two rigs - one has chest rings, and the other does not. It's not a huge difference. Hip rings add much more flexibility. Chest rings (IMO) add a little more flexibility.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
