Hooknswoop 19 #1 July 8, 2003 OK, I finally downloaded some digital pictures I took of different rig problems. 3rings: The top mini riser does not have the reinforcing tape sandwiched between the type 17 webbing. This tape is red on the bottom mini riser. cable: Mis-routing of the Cypres cutter and control head cables. dslinks2: Dacron soft links. All the force is on the bar-tack/zig-zag stitch. They aren't long enough for the finger trap to take any of the load. inserts: The plastic inserts for th excess cutaway cables have slid down out of the channel and through the locking loop on the 3-rings. Pulling the cutaway handle would not have released either riser. pc: the reserve pilot chute fabric was rolled up tight, preventing the PC from launching safey stow: this safety stow was incorrectly manufactured so that it has two loops instead of being on continuos loop. This was on a tandem reserve free-bag. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #2 July 8, 2003 Quoteinserts: The plastic inserts for th excess cutaway cables have slid down out of the channel and through the locking loop on the 3-rings. Pulling the cutaway handle would not have released either riser. Interesting. First negative I've heard of for inserts. And it's a doozee. Was this a problem that you manufactured or that you found? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #3 July 8, 2003 QuoteInteresting. First negative I've heard of for inserts. And it's a doozee. Was this a problem that you manufactured or that you found? Found it. The manufacturer has sinced changed how they install the inserts to prevent them from sliding out of the channel. If the inserts had been capped, they would have never slid down through the locking loops. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sducoach 0 #4 July 8, 2003 Hook, I use the same inserts provided by Sunpath. I tack the upper end of the insert into the channel to prevent any movement. After a period of time the inserts take a set and would be more difficult to align with the loop. It seems very "odd" that both inserts would/could find their way down and through the loops as shown. Did you simulate this problem or find it on the rig? Interesting. Blues, J.E.James 4:8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #5 July 8, 2003 Found it on the rig, definately caught my attention. The inserts hadn't been tacked and there was nothing stopping them from sliding. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crapflinger2000 1 #6 July 8, 2003 Hey, on the cable one... why do you consider that misrouted? Because it does not go out the bottom corner exit hole? I am guessing that the cutter is routed correctly (it's a Javelin, right?) __________________________________________________ What would Vic Mackey do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #7 July 9, 2003 Please refer to Bill Booth's post about proper riser construction. Its in this forum, you'll find it if you search.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #8 July 9, 2003 Quotewhy do you consider that misrouted? Because it does not go out the bottom corner exit hole? I am guessing that the cutter is routed correctly (it's a Javelin, right?) Right (doesn't go out the bottom corner) and right( a Javelin). The cable has to make extra turns and it isn't a very robust cable. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crapflinger2000 1 #9 July 9, 2003 Yeah, interesting... I always used that exit when possible, but sometimes when confronted with field retrofits where the sticky channel was not tacked down at the corners (something for which I was guilty of on a couple occaisions - I confess), I routed as shown simply to put less "peel strain" on the channel, if you catch my drift. I found that creative cable coiling would create a nice secure and low bulk solution in these cases.... __________________________________________________ What would Vic Mackey do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #10 July 9, 2003 QuoteYeah, interesting... I always used that exit when possible, but sometimes when confronted with field retrofits where the sticky channel was not tacked down at the corners (something for which I was guilty of on a couple occaisions - I confess), I routed as shown simply to put less "peel strain" on the channel, if you catch my drift. I found that creative cable coiling would create a nice secure and low bulk solution in these cases.... I agree, but this was a Cypres-ready container. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crapflinger2000 1 #11 July 9, 2003 yup, gotcha __________________________________________________ What would Vic Mackey do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KellyF 16 #12 July 9, 2003 QuoteQuoteInteresting. First negative I've heard of for inserts. And it's a doozee. Was this a problem that you manufactured or that you found? Found it. The manufacturer has sinced changed how they install the inserts to prevent them from sliding out of the channel. If the inserts had been capped, they would have never slid down through the locking loops. Hook A capped insert can still slide down through the locking loops if they are not secured properly. Think short cutaway cables Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #13 July 9, 2003 QuoteA capped insert can still slide down through the locking loops if they are not secured properly. Think short cutaway cables Very good point. Something to look for. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sducoach 0 #14 July 9, 2003 Big, Middle, Little, String, & Yellow thing. simple and easy for students to recall. Good Stuff! Blues, J.E.James 4:8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #15 July 9, 2003 Do really think that both inserts "slipped" down there or that the owner or someone else put them there thinking that's where they belonged? Before any of the manufacturers decided on what to do about inserts I put some HDPE plastic ones on one of my rigs for testing. They've been there 6 years now and have never moved. The fold back on the tape at the mouth of the channel pretty much keeps them from coming out. I have trouble getting them out when I want to show someone.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #16 July 9, 2003 Were the three rings a mismatched pair of pre and post reenforcement or was it a manufacturing error?I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #17 July 9, 2003 What you call an odd safety stow resembles the old Sidewinder production standard. Never heard of any problems with safety stows on old Sidewinders. However this brings us back to Sandy Reid's advice: "If you don't understand the process, copy exactly." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggermick 7 #18 July 9, 2003 pc: the reserve pilot chute fabric was rolled up tight, preventing the PC from launching It looked like it launched or did you pull it out? If it didn't launch was it a total? Looking at the photo it would still inflate if it got into the air stream. Mick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #19 July 9, 2003 QuoteWere the three rings a mismatched pair of pre and post reenforcement or was it a manufacturing error? 2 different sets of risers were used for the picture.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #20 July 9, 2003 Quote pc: the reserve pilot chute fabric was rolled up tight, preventing the PC from launching It looked like it launched or did you pull it out? If it didn't launch was it a total? Looking at the photo it would still inflate if it got into the air stream. Mick. What you see is exactly how far it launched. You really can't tell, but the spring didn't get to full extention and 0 bridle came out of the container.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
askir 0 #21 July 14, 2003 Yup! I have seen this cypress cable configuration a lot lately ( 4 or 5) in the last 3 weeks. The latest one (brand new rig) also had a very long closing loop, I could get my thumb under the PC (Javelin) I pulled the pin out with two fingers. This came assembled like that from a very well known gear catalogue. LIFE IS LIKE A CIGARETTE, YOU CAN SIT THERE AND WATCH IT BURN AWAY OR YOU CAN SMOKE THAT BITCH TO THE FILTER Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
