Rdutch 0 #26 June 27, 2003 QuoteIf I remember correctly, while we had the Intentional Cutaway rig at SDC Kirk actually had a real Malfunction on "Pinky" (this canopy has a history of spinning line twists). Kirk and the camera man left the plane and as soon as Kirk opened up he went into spinning line twists, not induced. The camera guy had no time to get video it happend so fast! It was awesome to watch from the ground! Reserve opened beautifully right on heading! Yeah that one actually cost me Beer, That was my first real save, even if it was supposed to be intentionally cutaway, when he had a Mal he had no choice. Glad to see my pack job worked. About using the skyhook, I have a cutaway with the skyhook, it was amazing how fast and clean it opened. I did my best to get unstable and turn when I cutaway, and it pulled me straight and opened perfectly on heading in about 80 ft. I raced it to get my ripcord and there was no contest, I had open canopy before I could get my hands on the ripcord. I would recommend the skyhook to anyone that asked me, and I would have no problem including it into my rig and jumping it myself. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #27 June 27, 2003 QuoteYeah that one actually cost me Beer, That was my first real save, even if it was supposed to be intentionally cutaway, when he had a Mal he had no choice. Glad to see my pack job worked. About using the skyhook, I have a cutaway with the skyhook, it was amazing how fast and clean it opened. I did my best to get unstable and turn when I cutaway, and it pulled me straight and opened perfectly on heading in about 80 ft. I raced it to get my ripcord and there was no contest, I had open canopy before I could get my hands on the ripcord. I would recommend the skyhook to anyone that asked me, and I would have no problem including it into my rig and jumping it myself. I did order a new RWS Micron with Skyhook. Got it in 8 weeks exactly. I jump a Stilleto 107. And I am fighting the cutaway vibes coming from that southin state near Cuba. Sorry Bill. Like Neo sending out the shockwave (((VIBE))) at the end of the Matrix.Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FliegendeWolf 0 #28 June 27, 2003 Is the skyhook available as a mod for older Relative Workshop gear? I just bought a 1989 Vector II and was thinking about having an RSL added to it.A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanEHdian 0 #29 June 27, 2003 Man, it just sounds too good to be true. Where does the spinning momentum go while the reserve inflates?? Absolutely no chance of transferring line twists to the reserve? I'm not doubting what's been said, I just want to understand... and believe. Cheers, CanEHdianTime's flying, and so am I... (69-way, 108-way and 138/142-way Freefly World Records) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #30 June 27, 2003 >Where does the spinning momentum go while the reserve inflates?? >Absolutely no chance of transferring line twists to the reserve? The momentum is still there. You are just open more quickly, so there's less chance to spin up the reserve. You can still get linetwists from a bad spinner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betzilla 56 #31 June 27, 2003 QuoteIf I remember correctly, while we had the Intentional Cutaway rig at SDC Kirk actually had a real Malfunction on "Pinky" (this canopy has a history of spinning line twists). Kirk and the camera man left the plane and as soon as Kirk opened up he went into spinning line twists, not induced. The camera guy had no time to get video it happend so fast! It was awesome to watch from the ground! That's true. Although it was an intentional cutaway, the malfunction was not -- Kirk planned for days, coming up with ways to simulate spinning line twists. All his planning was pointless, because Pinky just gave him her normal opening. He was not only the first to have an actual spinning malfunction on a Skyhook, but the first in all RWS' years of intentional cutaways to ACTUALLY have a malfunction.. He said he never felt the harness lose tension, and he didn't have even the shadow of a linetwist. The camera flyer had decided to exit after Kirk, thinking he'd have time to get into position before Kirk started spinning Pinky. But by the time he opened his canopy and stowed the slider, Kirk was under his reserve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billbooth 10 #32 June 27, 2003 Skyhook on older Vector II's? We are working on such a mod kit. Right now Skyhooks are only available for Vector III's, Microns, and Sigma Tandems. Our website will let you know when Vector II kits are available. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Danne 0 #33 June 30, 2003 Bill, How about retrofiting Vector tandems with the skyhook? /D Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdutch 0 #34 July 1, 2003 QuoteBill, How about retrofiting Vector tandems with the skyhook? /D Im have seen a few retrofit's out there, so its being done. Call RWS im sure they can tell you all about it. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #35 July 1, 2003 QuoteIm have seen a few retrofit's out there, so its being done. Call RWS im sure they can tell you all about it. My thought is that if a TM or a DZO is worried about safety to the point of wanting to retrofit a Vector Tandem for a Skyhook, then why don't they buy a Sigma system? Yeah, its a chunk of change, but it takes care of a good handful of potental bad scenerios that can happen on a Vector (or just about any other Tandem Rig for that matter). Although, I'm not in any way trying to say that the Vector Tandems are in any way unsafe.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdutch 0 #36 July 1, 2003 QuoteQuoteI have seen a few retrofit's out there, so its being done. Call RWS im sure they can tell you all about it. Yeah, its a chunk of change, but it takes care of a good handful of potential bad scenerios that can happen on a Vector (or just about any other Tandem Rig for that matter). Although, I'm not in any way trying to say that the Vector Tandems are in any way unsafe.Quote 70% safer, pre skyhook. How can you not afford to not use them. Can you put a price on your instructors/Passengers? Tandem Passengers dont know about safety and gear they trust anything, so for your gear, I think any price is worth 70%, anyone who doesn't is too cheap to care about peoples lives. If a car manufacturer could offer a guaranteed 70% better chance of living while driving their car, would you buy it? Hell yeah I would buy it! As a sport jumper, if someone could offer you a rig that was 70% safer than what you want to jump would you think twice about buying it? Now think again honestly and answer. Say a car manufacturer says, you cant get a blowout and it wont skid in the rain, kinda similar to "you cant get a horshoe and an out of sequence deployment is impossible". Now add the skyhook and a collins lanyard as extra's.*** My thought is that if a TM or a DZO is worried about safety to the point of wanting to retrofit a Vector Tandem for a Skyhook, then why don't they buy a Sigma system?Quote Exactly!!!!!! Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,111 #37 July 1, 2003 >As a sport jumper, if someone could offer you a rig that was 70% safer > than what you want to jump would you think twice about buying it? Now >think again honestly and answer. Of course they'd think twice. Look at how many people don't use RSL's, or jump tiny reserves. A great many people choose the cool factor over safety. In addition, there is some value in not using the newest technology out there until it is proven over hundreds of thousands of jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #38 July 1, 2003 >My thought is that if a TM or a DZO is worried about safety to the point of wanting to retrofit a Vector Tandem for a Skyhook, then why don't they buy a Sigma system? Cost to replace the 10 tandem rigs that my DZ has would be about $100K. In this economy its not going to happen. Doing a $200 per rig modification is justifiable, spending $100k is not.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites darkwing 5 #39 July 1, 2003 Safety issues are always constrained by economics. Every car can be safer, as can every airplane... We decide just how much we are willing to pay to get an incremental increase in safety... The very safest skydiving is no skydiving (similarly for driving and flying...). Obviously we have decided that it is safe enough as it is, but we will still welcome inexpensive improvements. -- Jeff My Skydiving History Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Costyn 1 #40 July 2, 2003 QuoteThe French system is very different from the Skyhook. In what way, Bill? I have a Parafun Advance (a very nice rig, btw), and they mention they have something which has the same functionality as the skyhook in the manual. I was never able to ascertain just exactly how it functions. They don't provide any documentation on the web either. And I forgot to ask my rigger about it last time... Cheers, Costyn.Costyn van Dongen - http://www.flylikebrick.com/ - World Wide Wingsuit News Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites andy2 0 #41 July 2, 2003 [QUOTE]In what way, Bill? I have a Parafun Advance (a very nice rig, btw), and they mention they have something which has the same functionality as the skyhook in the manual. I was never able to ascertain just exactly how it functions. They don't provide any documentation on the web either. And I forgot to ask my rigger about it last time... [/QUOTE] Does anybody else find it dangerous that you would use equipment that you have no idea how it works? That sounds off to me somehow. --------------------------------------------- let my inspiration flow, in token rhyme suggesting rhythm... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Costyn 1 #42 July 2, 2003 QuoteDoes anybody else find it dangerous that you would use equipment that you have no idea how it works? That sounds off to me somehow. Sorry, I gave the impression that this system was installed on my rig. It is not. They describe it in their manual as option for their rigs, so I was just curious how their system works. Yes, it would certainly be dangerous to use equipment while not knowing how it works. Cheers, Costyn.Costyn van Dongen - http://www.flylikebrick.com/ - World Wide Wingsuit News Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #43 July 2, 2003 While it may or may not be dangerous, it sure as hell is not very smart. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KellyF 16 #44 July 2, 2003 QuoteQuoteThe French system is very different from the Skyhook. In what way, Bill? I have a Parafun Advance (a very nice rig, btw), and they mention they have something which has the same functionality as the skyhook in the manual I have never seen this system installed on a rig, but have seen a sample of it 8 or 9 years ago, so it may not be exactly the same. The Parafun system had a long pin installed on the bridle and further down (closer to the bag) there was a stiffened section with two loops on it. The RSL had a section with two grommets in it that the loops passed through, and then the pin was inserted through the loops to lock the RSL to the bridle. In a cutaway, the RSL would pull the bag out of the container and deploy the reserve, and in a total the reserve pilot chute would launch, tension the bridle (thereby removing the pin and disconnecting the RSL), and then extract the reserve from the container. My details may be a bit off, but that's the basic idea. In basic function, both systems work the same, they just go about it in different ways. The skyhook does add the Collins lanyard to the system for a bit of an advantage if the RSL riser breaks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydiverek 63 #45 December 1, 2003 A few months have passed, so let me repeat the question "Has anybody cut away with the SkyHook, yet? If yes, please describe your experience. I am curious what non-test jumpers can say about it." 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billvon 3,111 #37 July 1, 2003 >As a sport jumper, if someone could offer you a rig that was 70% safer > than what you want to jump would you think twice about buying it? Now >think again honestly and answer. Of course they'd think twice. Look at how many people don't use RSL's, or jump tiny reserves. A great many people choose the cool factor over safety. In addition, there is some value in not using the newest technology out there until it is proven over hundreds of thousands of jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #38 July 1, 2003 >My thought is that if a TM or a DZO is worried about safety to the point of wanting to retrofit a Vector Tandem for a Skyhook, then why don't they buy a Sigma system? Cost to replace the 10 tandem rigs that my DZ has would be about $100K. In this economy its not going to happen. Doing a $200 per rig modification is justifiable, spending $100k is not.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkwing 5 #39 July 1, 2003 Safety issues are always constrained by economics. Every car can be safer, as can every airplane... We decide just how much we are willing to pay to get an incremental increase in safety... The very safest skydiving is no skydiving (similarly for driving and flying...). Obviously we have decided that it is safe enough as it is, but we will still welcome inexpensive improvements. -- Jeff My Skydiving History Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Costyn 1 #40 July 2, 2003 QuoteThe French system is very different from the Skyhook. In what way, Bill? I have a Parafun Advance (a very nice rig, btw), and they mention they have something which has the same functionality as the skyhook in the manual. I was never able to ascertain just exactly how it functions. They don't provide any documentation on the web either. And I forgot to ask my rigger about it last time... Cheers, Costyn.Costyn van Dongen - http://www.flylikebrick.com/ - World Wide Wingsuit News Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andy2 0 #41 July 2, 2003 [QUOTE]In what way, Bill? I have a Parafun Advance (a very nice rig, btw), and they mention they have something which has the same functionality as the skyhook in the manual. I was never able to ascertain just exactly how it functions. They don't provide any documentation on the web either. And I forgot to ask my rigger about it last time... [/QUOTE] Does anybody else find it dangerous that you would use equipment that you have no idea how it works? That sounds off to me somehow. --------------------------------------------- let my inspiration flow, in token rhyme suggesting rhythm... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Costyn 1 #42 July 2, 2003 QuoteDoes anybody else find it dangerous that you would use equipment that you have no idea how it works? That sounds off to me somehow. Sorry, I gave the impression that this system was installed on my rig. It is not. They describe it in their manual as option for their rigs, so I was just curious how their system works. Yes, it would certainly be dangerous to use equipment while not knowing how it works. Cheers, Costyn.Costyn van Dongen - http://www.flylikebrick.com/ - World Wide Wingsuit News Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #43 July 2, 2003 While it may or may not be dangerous, it sure as hell is not very smart. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KellyF 16 #44 July 2, 2003 QuoteQuoteThe French system is very different from the Skyhook. In what way, Bill? I have a Parafun Advance (a very nice rig, btw), and they mention they have something which has the same functionality as the skyhook in the manual I have never seen this system installed on a rig, but have seen a sample of it 8 or 9 years ago, so it may not be exactly the same. The Parafun system had a long pin installed on the bridle and further down (closer to the bag) there was a stiffened section with two loops on it. The RSL had a section with two grommets in it that the loops passed through, and then the pin was inserted through the loops to lock the RSL to the bridle. In a cutaway, the RSL would pull the bag out of the container and deploy the reserve, and in a total the reserve pilot chute would launch, tension the bridle (thereby removing the pin and disconnecting the RSL), and then extract the reserve from the container. My details may be a bit off, but that's the basic idea. In basic function, both systems work the same, they just go about it in different ways. The skyhook does add the Collins lanyard to the system for a bit of an advantage if the RSL riser breaks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #45 December 1, 2003 A few months have passed, so let me repeat the question "Has anybody cut away with the SkyHook, yet? If yes, please describe your experience. I am curious what non-test jumpers can say about it." Come on, there has to be someone out there...! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
metalslug 36 #46 December 1, 2003 Did you perhaps get to read the Skyhook cutaway(s) at Aggieland thread ? Some of the testers that day were regular skydiving folk from these forums with some honest opinions. Worth a read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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