Looking to purchase a 170 Main

[Jimbo 0]

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Ur wing loading would be fine on the 170. Just be careful on the first few jumps.

How do you know? Have you seen him fly? AggieDave handed out the best advice when he suggested that Hazarrd talk to his instructors. Considering that they've seen him fly, I think that they are the only ones qualified to determine what wingload is safe for him.

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I would recommend trying to demo ur reserve when you have a few more jumps.

Why wait? There's no guarantee that his first reserve ride won't be the first jump on that rig. If he doesn't think he can land it, he shouldn't be jumping it as a reserve.

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Reserves are alot more docile than main canopies so 1.1 isnt a big deal.

Reserves are more docile than _most_ sport mains these days. Reserves are usually landed under stress though, so it's a good thing that they're more docile, don't you think? The argument that a reserve is more docile and therefore able to be loaded safely at > 1:1 by a beginner just doesn't work.

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[skydive84 0]

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If he doesn't think he can land it, he shouldn't be jumping it as a reserve.

I can assure you he'll be able to land it. Wont comment on the degree of style he use - but he'll get down.

[PurpleBadger 0]

Do we spot a recurring theme here??? speak to instructors, they are the people who have all knowledge... or at least more knowledge and experience then what we have... i.e. both myself and Skydive84 on approx 250 and Jimbo on USPA C

Remeber that all anybody is posting here is opinions and advice based on personal experiences and knowledge, we can't judge on your canopy skill level and what equipment is right for you as an individual.


If this is going to turn into a personal argument between all our opinions as to what is and isn't right in the world of skydiving then maybe we should start a new thread and argue all night long...

[skydive84 0]

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maybe we should start a new thread and argue all night long...

Wooo hoooo

[Hazarrd 1]

Heh, sorry to create such a comotion over one little question

I was merely looking for some advice as to what some good beginner canopy brands are. My instructors have already OK'd me to fly a 170 main and 160 reserve. Also, I have only jumped a 230 F111 so far. I have been told that ZP mains are much different from F111 though so that I should be fine after a few more jumps. Any thoughts on that? Also, I plan on jumping on the 190 F111 student rig they have...In my mind, I am understanding that a 230 F111 is comparable to a 170 or 190 ZP main. Is that true at all?

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[PhreeZone 20]

230 F111 is not the same as a 170ZP. The designs of the canopies have a lot to do with it as does canopy size, taper and lots of other things.

You jump at Delmarva. Go talk to Martin Evans at the DZ.. can't miss him. He's the DZ manager. GREAT guy and he'll be able to tell you more about canopy flight then many AFF-I's can. Talk to him about your currrent landings, how to improve them and the steps you need to take to downsize if you want to.

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[Hazarrd 1]

Yep. I've already been talking to Martin. He is actually inspecting the rig that I plan on purchasing. From what he was telling me, I should be fine with the 170. I just like to get input from as many as possible. Thanks

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[PhreeZone 20]

If your working with Martin... (I don't say this much) IGNORE almost everything people want to tell you about what your first canopy should be and work with him.

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[jrpayne 0]

Triathlon would be my pick, similar to the Spectre only easier to pack and there are alot more used ones so the price would be lower.

[DJL 235]

Don't worry, I was kidding. I'm not a forum Nazi. Making a humorous stab at promoting the sale of my own canopy instead of yours.
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Back to the lecture at hand: Hazard, I have a Tri-160 and it's really nice, I jumped a Sabre 170 last weekend and it smacked the shit out of me on the first jump (packed by someone else) and after that I rolled the nose and it was fine and flies very nice and stable.

PEACE,

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[TheMonkey 0]

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Don't worry, I was kidding. I'm not a forum Nazi. Making a humorous stab at promoting the sale of my own canopy instead of yours.

take it to Talk Back, this forum is about gear & rigging

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[billvon 3,106]

>In my mind, I am understanding that a 230 F111 is comparable to a
>170 or 190 ZP main. Is that true at all?

Nope, completely different.

>Also, I plan on jumping on the 190 F111 student rig they have..

Good plan. A gradual transition is always better than an abrupt one. Make sure one of your instructors, an S+TA, a coach etc watches you land it a few times so they can give you pointers.

As a tip - one of the biggest problems people have at your level is reaching out a hand to "break your fall" when you land. On a large F111 canopy this doesn't do anything. On a smaller ZP canopy it will make the canopy turn in the direction you are reaching. So start now, practicing _never_ sticking your hands out when you land, even if you're going to fall down. That's what PLF's are for, and PLF's don't use your hands.