BOC, PUD, or Freefly Handle?

[Whitis02 0]

So yeah, I'm a total newbie first off this will be my first post. And I'm not real sure what kind of flying I might be interested in. I've got a kewl RW suit coming in but I'm not sure that's what I want to always do. I thought it would be good to get some basic belly skills before I did any freeflying or anything like that. I just want to try formation and freeflying before I deceide which direction I want to go. So I guess my question is if I wanted a all-round container with max safety what would you guys suggest?

[Casch 0]

Infinity! Very cool rig. Inexpensive, rock solid and great cust. service

http://www.skydivenet.com/vse/Infinity.htm

[AggieDave 6]

Kyle, come by the DZ tomorrow or this weekend and I'll show you the different typs as well as explain the pros and cons of each.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[BBKid 0]

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So yeah, I'm a total newbie first off this will be my first post

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BEER!

Nick
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[Amazon 7]

I SOOOOOO love my infinity. and the customer service from Kelly has been above and beyond. He has been super helpful customizing me a rig that will fit my...... ummm..... proportions ( Chest straps hurt my breasts really badly) . The container has a BOC and never an issue with the routing of the bridle. Everything is well fitted and doesn't catch on the myriad of protrusions on the C-182. I prefer to sit behind the pilot with it against the back of the seat and never a problem with flaps coming open etc. The articulated harness is VERY comfortable and I dont have any issue getting my legs really UNDER me unlike in some harnesses that hurt when you try to get your body in a good vertical PLF position and not with your legs out in front of you ( not that I plan on doing one unless I really have to)

Money well spent with a good bunch of people at Velocity for a really good harness/container system

Amazon.

[Yoshi 0]

javelin oddessey. unless I get sponsored I will never buy anything else:):)
-yoshi

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[riggerrob 643]

The ideal main deployment system includes a BOC and a freefly handle. There are several types of freefly handles that are just variations on puds. The best handles include some sort of Velcro on tuck tab to keep them in exactly the same place on every skydive.

[AggieDave 6]

The Wings I have doesn't use velcro for the FF handle, but it stays place no matter what, in the same place. (or atleast it has for the past 300 jumps).

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[rigging65 0]

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The ideal main deployment system includes a BOC and a freefly handle

That's one opinion. IMO, the pullout is the safest, most secure deployment device there is. It virtually eliminates horse-shoes, as well as p/c-in-tow. If the PUD comes loose (which it probably won't if you do some basic maintenance), you can still reach back and snag it OR go to your reserve with nothing but 8 inches of lanyard over your back (read: clean air).

Put it this way, if your main container comes open (for a variety of reasons), you're far more likely to get a complete deployment with a pullout system than with a BOC. You're also more liklely to get a main deployment, even if your p/c fails, because you don't need the extra drag to open the container (as you've already done that)!

Just my opinion....

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For there you have been, and there you long to return..."

[AggieDave 6]

Proper packing of the PC also helps eliminate horseshoe mals, since the PC won't bind and just release after all the bridle has pulled (if you pack it right).

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[rigging65 0]

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Proper packing of the PC also helps eliminate horseshoe mals, since the PC won't bind and just release after all the bridle has pulled (if you pack it right).

Absolutely, unless the BOC mouth is overly tight. Of course, if it's overly loose, then the p/c can slip out prematurely...hhhmmmmm which way would I rather err?

Look, any system works properly when packed and maintained properly. The question is what happens when things aren't perfect?

I'm not anti-BOC or anything, I just think the pullout is a safer system. Not as popular because it had a checkered past, but current systems are a significant improvement over the old velcro-hotdogs, and IMO, and only IMO, are even safer than BOCs.

"...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward.
For there you have been, and there you long to return..."

[AggieDave 6]

Have you seen the BOC system that Wings has? Using Cordura (not like manufactures used to make it) with elastic around the mouth and the FF handle?

This thing is rock solid, especially since the FF handle provides secondary protection to the mouth of the BOC.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[skybytch 273]

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I'm not anti-BOC or anything, I just think the pullout is a safer system. Not as popular because it had a checkered past, but current systems are a significant improvement over the old velcro-hotdogs, and IMO, and only IMO, are even safer than BOCs.

As long as you always pack your own rig and are anal about bridle placement and handle stowage, I agree. I've known a couple of pull out jumpers who used packers that were unfamiliar (or not familiar enough) with pull outs and ended up with hard pulls/terminal reserve rides.

[MrHixxx 0]

I'll add another endorsement for the pull out. I have a Wings pullout (the first non velcro one), because I insisted it couln't have velcro. Mine actually has a piece of type for the bottom flap retainer, before they started doubling up the fabric and tucking it back for a pocket. I have had it for the last 400 jumps with no real misshaps. I have dropped the handle and had to thumb sweep a couple of times, but I was easily able to grab it on the first try in both instances (it helps to rehearse this on the ground JIC).

In addition to the other benefits, I think it is a more positive form of deployment. I do a lot of low jumps out of Cessnas (often times demos). I had several PC hesitations doing this with a throw out. It is not a problem with a pullout because the pin is out and the pc is inflated in the wind stream as it leaves my hand...

-Hixxx

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-but beauty is more now than dying’s when

[rigging65 0]

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Have you seen the BOC system that Wings has? Using Cordura (not like manufactures used to make it) with elastic around the mouth and the FF handle?

I haven't seen that, but it sounds like it's very secure!
I was speaking more about general BOC pouches (as I didn't know the precise BOC you were speaking of). I'll stick to my guns though and say that on MOST rigs with a BOC pouch, a pullout is safer. I'll go one step further and say (without having seen it) it sounds like the Wings BOC is probably as safe as a pullt out...but, again, I haven't seen it.

If you like it, and it works for you, and you're willing to defend it to others, it's must be great, right?

"...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward.
For there you have been, and there you long to return..."

[mikeat10500 12]

Pull out for me too! I can not see any advantage going to a toss out system...only draw backs!

...mike

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Mike Wheadon B-3715,HEMP#1
Higher Expectations for Modern Parachutists.

[payback462 0]

i also am getting pullout on the rig i have on order, its the only logical choice for Me
i wouldnt recommend it to someone who doesnt pack for themselves or isnt totally anal about their gear (and you can ask anyone i jump with just how many gear checks i do)

[Whitis02 0]

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[BMFin 0]

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Have you seen the BOC system that Wings has? Using Cordura (not like manufactures used to make it) with elastic around the mouth and the FF handle?

I haven't seen that, but it sounds like it's very secure!

Im sorry, but did I ge this right ? You have Back, Chest and seat ratings and you havent seen the Wings condura BOC system ?

[Watcher 0]

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[Jimbo 0]

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i also am getting pullout on the rig i have on order, its the only logical choice for Me

Why?

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[rigging65 0]

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Have you seen the BOC system that Wings has? Using Cordura (not like manufactures used to make it) with elastic around the mouth and the FF handle?

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I haven't seen that, but it sounds like it's very secure!

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Im sorry, but did I ge this right ? You have Back, Chest and seat ratings and you havent seen the Wings condura BOC system ?

That's right, I've never seen a Wings Cordura BOC.

Over the years I've seen several different cordura BOCs, but our DZ has VERY VERY few Wings on it (like one, maybe two), so we don't see many in the loft. Add to it that BAS (about an hour from here) is a heavily-Wings DZ, and they have their own loft and riggers, so most of the Wings stay down there, and we don't see them.

I've seen (and built) Reflex cordura BOC systems before and they work well. In fact, I think it's a great overall concept using cordura for a BOC, but no, I've never seen a separate Wings designed Cordura BOC. Why is this hard to believe? It's a relatively new container that's not popular here.

"...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward.
For there you have been, and there you long to return..."

[AggieDave 6]

Here's a pic of the back of my rig, its not a great pic, but you'll probably get the general idea.
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=9377;

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[rigging65 0]

So I take it that it's the same as any other aftermarket BOC kit, it's just made of cordura, yes?

I know a guy who made his own BOC that way...he had 3 totals on it before he replaced it with spandex. I thought those had gone the way of the Dodo. I've still never seen one, but I suspect there is a reason for that. Maybe they figured it out with the Wings!

Since the Cordura doesn't stretch, the guy I know who built the Cordua BOC had his p/c wedged in their tight as a snare drum. It wasn't going anywhere. After a few reserve rides, and some playing around, he moved on from it. Is the Wings model cut extra "baggy" or something? I'm interested and always willing to learn a new trick, especially about a rig variant we never get to see out here!!

"...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward.
For there you have been, and there you long to return..."

[BMFin 0]

I think its okay, but I dont think its anything special. Its just another way of making the BOC. I dont see a reason why it would be any better than spandex.

Only thing that matters in my opinion is that the pouch is tight enough.