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Bill_K

Video Editing Software on Vista i.e. 2007+

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Ok before somebody jumps me for not using the search feature; I did. :)
My question: I'm hoping to start jumping a video camera soon and just thought that I would ask and see what you all are using to edit videos these days. I'm running Vista on a PC so any help there would be great. I have NO plans to start jumping with tandem’s or anything like that for a good while. This is just for my own amusement for a while I continue to learn. I would like to be able to add nice title screens and music and do neat effects, etc...

Thanks much in advance,
Bill K. :)

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Most every app in the PC world will run on Vista 32. Sony Vegas, Adobe Premiere, Canopus Edius. Avid Xpress is not Vista-certified yet.
Very few run well or at all on Vista 64, or if they do run, they can't take advantage of 64 bit.
Sony Vegas Movie Studio or Adobe Premiere Elements are good starter apps, IMO.

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I would ask and see what you all are using to edit videos these days.



Mac!:)
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I'm running Vista on a PC so any help there would be great.



Sorry about your luck,Windows sucks ass!:D:P:D


LOL, figured that would be one of the responses. :)

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Yea well I couldn't help it. But really if you take a good hard look at what all you can do "out of the box" with a Mac, in regards to all media editing and how it all works together seemlessly.

Anyone looking to get into production as a weekend "pro" or to just fuk around having fun, ya should take a very hard look @ Mac.

I get phone calls from time to time form friends who call up and tell me all about the updated this and upgraded that and all about how they spent a small fortune to build a windows machine to "edit" on, and do I know why they can't get it to work, or it crashes or some other problem that always seems to be a OS issue. I just laugh my ass off and tell them you shoulod have listened the first time I told them and got a Mac.;)

you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

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Yeah, well....as someone whose company is format-agnostic, FCP, Soundtrack, DVDSP, Motion, Shake, and all the other accompanying software has a lot of updates too.
The days of Mac being for creatives and PC's being for accountants are long over. Both have their plusses and minuses.
I'm grateful every day for Bootcamp and Parallels on my MacBook Pro.

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Yea, but your at a whole other level,:P then those who I get calls from wondering why they can't get their 3.5K$ windows editing machine to work or burn a disk or some other simple shit they can't get to work right and it cost them more money and hours of time to get trained on it or they were sold some shit they didn't need and don't work in the first place by the retard at best buy.

When had they just done as advised when they asked me "what to buy" they had just got a Mac. If you can't make a nice and well put together production with i-life right out of the box,(music, video, photos, DVD) it's pretty stupid proof, then you don't need to be trying to learn the windows shit, you need to hang up the cameras & find a new hobbie!:P

But I know YOU know what I'm saying, others still don't.

you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

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I understand what you're saying, but again...Windoze isn't as different from Apple as they'd have you think.
At one time, Windows was far and away less intuitive than anything Apple did. Now...they're about the same. Any other point of view is likely due to marketing skew. At one time, I struggled with moving from one to the other, every day it was one machine for some tasks and another machine for other tasks.
Today, it's still the same way, but they both share the same network, same HDD's, same servers, and the UI's aren't all that different.
PC's are just as "make something out of the box" as anything Apple does, and in some ways, moreso. iLife is a great app, but Windows offers most of the same functionality. Then add in many third-party apps that are dirt-cheap, and you've got more power.
So then the argument became that Apple was impervious to virus'. This too, is a myth. Because of Microsoft having nearly the entire computer world in their back pocket, every virus writer was shooting at the biggest target. But the marketing by the Apple fanboys (Apple was too smart to make much hay in this area) has turned the heads of virus writers to Apple's systems as well, and now they're a target too.
Apple 'puters are better looking, no doubt. However, if Sony or Alienware could come up with a laptop that looks and operates like my MacBook, I'd probably forget my Macbook and go that direction instead.
Back to topic, today in 2007, it's inaccurate to believe that anything creative is easier (or harder) on an Apple vs PC. At the low end, they're about the same. At the high end, they both have advantages/disadvantages over one another. But PC still owns the price arena though (on the low end).

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Pinnacle is now owned by Avid. Their Liquid product is great although a system hog, their Studio line is pretty poor and trouble-ridden, IMO. I'd avoid it in favor of Ulead, Sony, or Adobe for low-cost software alternatives.

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The days of Mac being for creatives and PC's being for accountants are long over. Both have their plusses and minuses.


I heve to agree with DSE. My 2yrs old Gateway laptop what I bougth on e-bay for $1800 runs AVID Express pro HD just fine(it has the processor, screen res, RAM and etc...). The only plus I need is an external hard drive. All computers need separated HDD's anyway for video editing...
My girlfriends Mac Book Pro with same features can't run the same soft ware (AVID) by the same reason it's not running on Vista. AVID hasn't updated it yet.
Also her 1yr old MAC started to overheat and keeps shutting down. Furthermore MAC OS X can't even defragment a hard drive (which is super important when you working on big video porojects all the time) it requires to install a 3rd party software!
XP Pro does it...
Computers are computers, they are all super complex machines. They all require extended knowlege and trainig of their technical back ground when some one wants to use them for video editing or any other difficult application.
-Laszlo-

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I know it's not an easy solution but if you could install XP Pro Service Pack-2 instead of Vista.
But than you can run any software written to PC.
-Laszlo-



I've been doing a little leg work on my own too. I thought that I would share a couple of the sites that I've found. They might be helpful to some.

First, vista ships with Movie Maker, so I figured there would be some hacks out there that would find ways to make it do cool shit. Sure enough: Movie Maker Forums

While poking around there I found this guy's website. Talk about some cool stuff, to me at least. I'm starting to think that with a little leg work that I can probably make WMM do most anything that I want. XML is not to bad to play with and there are some SDK's to play with... anyway, I digress. Blaine's Movie Maker Blog. He's got one pretty dam cool effect for putting one clip over top another. I'm sure that we could have some fun with that one. ;)

And still another site that I've found with yet more stuff for both Vista's WMM and XP's WMM. WMM Source

I think for now that I'll save the $50-$200 on other software and see how far that I can take this using the tools at hand. I can buy a lot of jumps with that money for now.

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XP ships with Movie Maker too. And new versions of XP Pro ship with Movie Maker 2.
for free...it's a decent little app.



Thanks, I knew that XP did, but honestly had never messed with it much. Now that I have a reason to, it just so happens that I'm on Vista so selfishly my focus is on that. :)

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Blah, blah, blah blah blah. Heard it all before, but done both. The OS's aren't "the same." And they make all the difference (or at least 98-percent). MS can try to copy (and they do) whatever Apple did a few year ago and claim "they're just as easy." But it is just a bunch of crap. Out of the box, Mac beats MS-anything everytime. Customized? Well, at some point,...sure... Many super-geeks can make (force) either to work. But that's not the point. Most people will have less hassles using Mac. Simple as that. Just count how many questions/problems/hassles people have all the time (really, all the time! ask me about yesterday) on Windows machines. And I can't count how many times I have watched the best and brightest get dumbfounded by the simplest of tasks using Windows machines. Most people who claim otherwise are just trying to defend what they have always used or have always had their bread buttered by (Win-tel-something or a supplier/supporter). Or, they have never really sat down and tried a Mac (I don't count running boot Camp; that's just wasting money for the worst of both worlds).

BTW Lazlo,
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Furthermore MAC OS X can't even defragment a hard drive



Macs just do it in the background all the time so you just don't even notice it. It's a little thing, but just one of those little things...

And, I also thought that when Mac went Unix (effectively) that they would be besieged by viruses like Windows. But it just hasn't happened. Sure, it could, but it hasn't (ask any Mac user).

BTW, In the interest of disclosure, I own Apple stock. Bought it in 2000 when Wall Street had written it off (pre-iPod) because they didn't understand it. And I don't own an iPod, and don't use iMovie. It's late,... just ranting,... but heard it all/done it all b4.

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:)PC folks just say....it works.
Apple folks say...mine works better...

For some reason Apple folks always respond defensively. Not sure why, it wasn't that way back in the day of the IISI or the LISA (Owned both) but today....Wow.
In the interests of disclosure, I believe we own 26 or 28 MacBooks, 3 G5workstations, 30 PC laptops, and 8-10 Windows Workstations. I'm very ambi-OS-trous, and slightly ambiguous, and while I prefer Avid and Vegas to Final Cut for 85% of what I do....Photoshop just looks better on an Apple, IMO.
But I also don't care for blondes, I'm more a brunette/redhead kinda guy.

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PC = problem?

Lol, windows = problem not the PC
I agree totally with DSE, its a neverendingdiscussion

Actually i feel bad for you you got vista, is more than 40 % slower on rendering than XP

I made my own PC , beats every mac out there i can even take 2 out in the same time, and also for half a price

´out of the box´ is for sissies

my sug. depends what level you want to be on...and what actually you want from the machine
there are aps for every knucklehead outhere.

try as much as you can...use what works for you !!!...the rest are details

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Here is a first pass attempt. This was from my 200th this past Sunday. There are a couple of things in it that I don't like, so I'm going to change them. There also is no music set to it yet. I'll probably add some more footage from right before the hangers got to the formation as well. I'm totally using this as a learning experience.

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Nice job, particularly for a first edit. In the shakey area, you might consider slowing only that section down to reduce shake.
Credits could stand to be a bit faster.
The story is told without the music; this means it holds together pretty well on its own. Adding some music and maybe SFX will bring it to a very nice finish.
Congrats, you're an editor too!:)

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Nice job, particularly for a first edit. In the shakey area, you might consider slowing only that section down to reduce shake.
Credits could stand to be a bit faster.
The story is told without the music; this means it holds together pretty well on its own. Adding some music and maybe SFX will bring it to a very nice finish.
Congrats, you're an editor too!:)



Thx, what do you mean by SFX?

On the credit's, I agree 100% they seemed ok last night, but they are sloooow today. Gotta fix those.

By slowing down the shaky section, do you mean slowing the play rate through that section?

Any suggestions for music?

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