USPA's stand on tandem vid requirements????

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Are you implying

No I'm not implying shit, I'm flat out telling you. Yes they should and will pay for a quility product. I'm also saying some dzo's should lower their cut and pay more to the camera person who supplys ALL their own equipment the dz don't need to clear 15 bucks for the favor of giving us work, your not doing me that big of a favor, it's a job.

As for still images, I have sold 90% of my still images as a "after the fact" or up sale. A CD with all images can sell very easy for 35 to 60 bucks for stills alone, people will gladly pay it and be happy to, if you sell it right.

An 8x10 sells for 16 to 20 bucks and larger prints 13x19 35 to 45.00, is a going rate. I prefer to sell the image file in hi res on a cd because you don't have to drag around a printer and it's super fast.

If your giving them away or only getting 5 bucks your getting ripped off and doing a disservice to the industry, the going rate for video only is 35.00, you do the math. Adding stills is more work, more danger, more risk, more expense and should pay more to the camera flyer.

And you should get paid an amount to recover the investment as well as cover maintaince to equipment and profit too and for the risk involved.

you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

[dorbie 0]

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An 8x10 sells for 16 to 20 bucks and larger prints 13x19 35 to 45.00, is a going rate. I prefer to sell the image file in hi res on a cd because you don't have to drag around a printer and it's super fast.

Just go to seaworld and see their prices for a holiday snap taken by a teenage high school student with a digital SLR. You're pretty close to that.

As you say people are definitely happy to pay for this, I have, when it's busy they get in line for 30 minutes to check out the shots and pick the prints they want, and of course you can't just get the one print if you want to share with a relative.

It does get pricey though which is the major unfortunate part, I limit any shots I buy for this reason. Volume discounts would make me happier and probably still earn them extra revenue.

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If your giving them away or only getting 5 bucks your getting ripped off and doing a disservice to the industry, the going rate for video only is 35.00, you do the math. Adding stills is more work, more danger, more risk, more expense and should pay more to the camera flyer.

And you should get paid an amount to recover the investment as well as cover maintaince to equipment and profit too and for the risk involved.

Wow...$35.00? We're double that amount. We do NLE editing, put extra into it, most of our guys are HDV, etc...but makes me surprised we're *that* much more. Stills are $25.00 on top of that.
I guess this really belongs in the "How much" thread...

[stratostar 5]

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Wow...$35.00? We're double that amount. We do NLE editing, put extra into it, most of our guys are HDV, etc...but makes me surprised we're *that* much more. Stills are $25.00 on top of that.
I guess this really belongs in the "How much" thread...

I'm not surprised your getting that much more, the only reason it's 35 is because the DZO takes 15 right off the top plus slot.

Stills I sell for 35 extra on CD you get all, good, bad , ugly for your 35 in this part of the country (midwest). However I can get the going rate in other higher profile DZ's of 60 for stills only on CD and that can be 1 to ? images.

Video is all good and everything, but the real value is in the still images and are really worth more then video images, because you can do such much more with them as a stand alone product.

My only point was the amount of DZ's who only pay 40.00 for both and YOU HAVE to fly both or you don't fly. And there are a lot of the newer video people who are all over that shit and think their getting a good deal.

My guess is the other dzs will lower there prices now in rate of pay to stay in line with the other place's paying 40 only for both and selling both for a lower price.

Hell I can do AFF all day long and make 40 a jump and not have the added risk to neck/back health, equipment loss, extra work load, a huge in investment in the 2 rigs, laptops, lenses, cameras and parts, CDs, DVDs,DVD recorders, camera cleaning shit, extra battires, chargers, TVs, special jumpsuit and all the shit I haven't listed, like hauling all this shit around to dz's.

On top of that once you start making a living with your cameras doing film and still images, you find out real quick how foolish skydiving video and still images pay as an industry and any other photoshoots without the risk of death pay a lot more per image or day rate, video production is even more pay per hour or day rate.

(not you DSE) If you think I'm full of shit all you have to do is pick out 30 minutes of your best footage and find a local production house and go price a short video being made from your footage and see what post production will cost you for a 10 min. dvd.

Now ask them how much it will cost to have that done in an hour or less so you can leave with it in hand.

you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

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I am curious, sorry if you already said - how much does the DZ charge the customer for the video?

Mykel AFF-I10
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[stratostar 5]

90 for video 120 with stills last I knew.

you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

[peckerhead 0]

We charge $95 for a DVD and stills. I get $54 and my slot is paid for ($16 to 10k) The editor gets $5 and the club gets the other $20. It is a small non profit club so it helps to pay the bills. If you do the editing you get the extra $5.

When they leave they have an edited DVD and a disk with stills in JPEG. If we are busy we will mail it if they are in a hurry to leave.

The club also provides the editing equipment, tv, DVD burner, computer, etc. (not to mention the DZ and the aircraft)

One thing I have noticed over the years is that skydivers are much nore critical of the pictures and video than the student is. I have done some videos that I did not think were all that great but the student loved it. I think we need to remember that we are not the customer.

Back to the OP in my humble opinion you should have a D license before doing camera work with tandems and I would not be opposed to a camera rating. We are likely only another incident or two away from that happening.