beavdog 0 #1 May 15, 2003 Has anyone seen anything like this before. I somehow managed to get my collapsable pc wrapped around my right brake line. It only got one line, not several. I performed a stearing check and everything appeared normal so I didnt have to chop. No one on my DZ had seen this before and I wondered if it was common or really strange. Also...what could cause it? Here's to the Breezes that blows through the Trezzez..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masher 1 #2 May 15, 2003 That happened to me the other day. I got the PC half hitched around a steering line after the cascade, right up at the base of the canopy (on the left). Control checks all worked out, the bridle didn't go around the nose of the canopy. Landed it and walked into the hanger, where it was still hitched up. No idea as to how it happened or why...-- Arching is overrated - Marlies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lauril 0 #3 May 15, 2003 Don't know how it got there, but the p/c can get in very odd places, we had a tandem at our dz last weekend, in wich the drogue had gone in the tunnel, the tandem master didn't see it, just saw the d-bag hanging in front of the nose and thought that maybe the drogue had wrapped around itself or the bridle...but the canopy was ok, and the t/m brought it down..I have a pic from their landing, but I'm at work, I'll post the pic when I get home... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #4 May 15, 2003 QuoteDon't know how it got there, but the p/c can get in very odd places No kidding. I saw a student cut away from a mal where the spring loaded PC came over the nose and wrapped around the slider. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dsbbreck 0 #5 May 15, 2003 I have over 1700 jumps and have had that 3 times. Once on a sport rig and twice on a tandem. It's usually nothing to worry about when you have a collapsable PC, but when fully inflated it can cause a problem.David "Socrates wasn't killed because he had the answer.......he was killed because he asked the question." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JayhawkJumper 0 #6 May 15, 2003 Hey Beavers, That's definately kinda weird. Were you doing stalls by chance? I've seen a PC come over the top of a canopy and get wrapped in the A and B lines and I've seen a tandem drogue do the same thing. The sport canopy that had it wrapped in there got that way from radical stalls, but the tandem just happened. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lauril 0 #7 May 15, 2003 Had a quick change to visit home during work, so here's the pic, it shows the bag and some of the bridle, but we had to pull the drogue out of one tunnel, so it was definietly there...don't be scared of the canopy, it's an old strong, f-111 about 500 sqft.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masher 1 #8 May 15, 2003 That is weird. . As to the stalls question. I wasn't doing anything. This was right after opening. I looked up to check everything was there, and the PC was trailing, it was wrapped up -- Arching is overrated - Marlies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #9 May 15, 2003 I wouldn't say it's common but it's not unusual. That very thing has happened to me once so far.. It was controlable with a minimum of opposite brake input, so I landed it. I have no recollection of how the parachute opened. -My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #10 May 15, 2003 QuoteHas anyone seen anything like this before. I somehow managed to get my collapsable pc wrapped around my right brake line. It only got one line, not several. I performed a stearing check and everything appeared normal so I didnt have to chop. No one on my DZ had seen this before and I wondered if it was common or really strange. Also...what could cause it? I´ve seen this a couple of times, have video of it as well. But I´ve only seen it with spring-loaded pilotchutes (like most of our students use). Usually the pilot comes over the center cell, no prob. If it is off-center or grabs a line or two like on my vid, dunno. My vid is of a big skymaster with the pilot around one line (I think), the student opted not to cutaway and landed kinda hard (but was okay). ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USPA 0 #11 May 15, 2003 Hi Sas, I had this, and have it on video somewhere... My pud twisted around right steering line, causing a slight but continious right turn. Compensated and did a straight in landing... (not my best landing though... ) The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masher 1 #12 May 15, 2003 I didn't notice any turns induced by the PC. Everything seemed to be fairly stable. But I am buggered as to how it got there in the first place...-- Arching is overrated - Marlies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #13 May 15, 2003 QuoteNo kidding. I saw a student cut away from a mal where the spring loaded PC came over the nose and wrapped around the slider That's weird.__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pablito 0 #14 May 15, 2003 Look at this "If you don't overcome your fears they will overcome you first" Shady Monkey/6Segundos Rodriguez/AKA Pablito Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #15 May 15, 2003 I have seen plenty of pilotchutes and d-bags over the nose. Usually not a big deal as it only requires a small toggle input to fly straight. However, this is the first time I have heard of a pilotchute entangling with a steering line. Again not a big deal if it only requires a small toggle input to fly straight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beavdog 0 #16 May 15, 2003 Ive seen many pc's over the nose, always with student gear. We are a static line dz. We think it happens mostly with lighter jumpers. Maybe because the velcro doesnt release as quickly and the pc gets far out front. Just a guess though Here's to the Breezes that blows through the Trezzez..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #17 May 15, 2003 Quote Quote Don't know how it got there, but the p/c can get in very odd places No kidding. I saw a student cut away from a mal where the spring loaded PC came over the nose and wrapped around the slider. Had that happen 4 times in a row on student status, didn't wrap around the slider, but did wrap around several a & B lines. As you can guess I'm a HUGE advocate of throwout for students.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #18 May 15, 2003 It is usually caused from the canopy opening very close or on the edge of a stall. The canopy falls back, surges foward, repeat. As it falls back, it drops, the PC gets dragged above it and it can either fall in front of the nose, fall just behind the canopy and get snagged by a line, or fall far enough behind the canopy that everything returns to normal. Check your line trim. If you have Spectra, the steering lines shrink faster than the rest of the lines, causing the canopy to deploy in deeper brakes over time. PC's over the nose seem to happen on larger lightely loaded canopys more often than than other canopys. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #19 May 16, 2003 QuoteLook at this Well that's one of mine!!!!!! heh heh that's the one I was looking for, thanx for hunting it down....... This student landed with no probs whatsoever. ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #20 May 16, 2003 QuoteNo kidding. I saw a student cut away from a mal where the spring loaded PC came over the nose have i seen many times,most time they can be landed.never saw one in steering lines or all the way down to the slider... Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pablito 0 #21 May 16, 2003 Yup its your picture but shows another situation where the PIlot chute goes were it pleases. (it was the perfect example when i was going through your pictures) I've seen a cutaway because of something like that, then I had the Pilot chute wrap around my brake line and I have no problem with it. If it does what it suppost to I will bring it home. Cielos Azules "If you don't overcome your fears they will overcome you first" Shady Monkey/6Segundos Rodriguez/AKA Pablito Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanEHdian 0 #22 May 16, 2003 QuoteIt is usually caused from the canopy opening very close or on the edge of a stall. The canopy falls back, surges foward, repeat. As it falls back, it drops, the PC gets dragged above it and it can either fall in front of the nose, fall just behind the canopy and get snagged by a line, or fall far enough behind the canopy that everything returns to normal. Check your line trim. If you have Spectra, the steering lines shrink faster than the rest of the lines, causing the canopy to deploy in deeper brakes over time. PC's over the nose seem to happen on larger lightely loaded canopys more often than than other canopys. Hook Yep, it happened to me on several occasions a while back, PC sometimes wrapped around a line either in front or in back. It started happening after I began noticing an intermittent 'body pendulum' motion on some openings (my body swaying f/ward & b/ward) that would go away soon after the canopy began flying/picking up forward speed. Rigger changed the control lines (Spectre loaded at 1.2, with Spectra, approx 400 jumps) and solved all problems. edit: landed main every time, but with minimal input... Cheers, CanEHdianTime's flying, and so am I... (69-way, 108-way and 138/142-way Freefly World Records) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
btucker 0 #23 May 29, 2003 me too. Did a nice loop of the Dlines and the right brake line. Felt like shit so I used the other canopy! Blues Benno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #24 May 29, 2003 QuoteCheck your line trim Hook wrote a nice piece on how to check your trim, as well as information about how often to do it, and some useful tidbits abut materials, etc.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
