mouth 0 #1 May 9, 2003 My new Javelin Odyssey finally arrived yesterday. (Have I mentioned she is beautiful yet? Well, she is.) Everything is perfect except that she has a soft reserve handle. I've always been told to only change a little at a time, and I'm used to a D ring and KNOW for a fact I can pull that thing out if I have to. OK so now you are all going to say change it and I agree with you, but my question is will I have to have everything repacked since they did the original packing at SunPath or do you think a rigger will just replace it for me if I order the correct one? -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #2 May 9, 2003 The rigger would have to reseal it, and therefore would need to repack it.Skydiving is for cool people only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #3 May 9, 2003 QuoteThe rigger would have to reseal it, and therefore would need to repack it. Reseal it, yes; repack it, not necessarily. It depends on the rigger, but most I've talked to would reseal their own pack jobs free of charge. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikeat10500 12 #4 May 9, 2003 I'm not crazy about soft reserve handles, but that is just 'cause of what I'm used too! If you can cut away with a pillow than it stands to reason you should be able to activate your reserve with one. Your gear has an AAD and I'll guess it has a RSL too! With the RSL functional you are actually using a SOS system, al you really have to do is cutaway and you get a reserve( don't rely on it though). You show an interest in freefly and those weird-Os like soft handles. Did you change your main deployment method too? I would think about keeping it the way it is. ( If shit don't stink....don't stir it!) Of course you would want to become familiar with it. Just a thought...mike ----------------------------------- Mike Wheadon B-3715,HEMP#1 Higher Expectations for Modern Parachutists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beemertec 0 #5 May 9, 2003 Quote My new Javelin Odyssey finally arrived yesterday. (Have I mentioned she is beautiful yet? Well, she is.) I can't wait to see it.Damnit. All this talk about new rigs has me wanting one. I want, I want, I want. Hmmm, maybe if I threaten to hold my breath. Blue Skies Steve Ok, so it's pink, but I'm secure in my manhood, and I still look cool coming in under it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #6 May 9, 2003 QuoteReseal it, yes; repack it, not necessarily. It depends on the rigger, but most I've talked to would reseal their own pack jobs free of charge. That's right. But since Lisa is in Georgia, and Sunpath is Zephyrhills, I'm assuming she's not going to drive it down there.Skydiving is for cool people only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #7 May 9, 2003 I agree with Jess. No way in hell i would reseal someone else's reserve pack job. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #8 May 9, 2003 i don't know a rigger out there that would re seal a rig that had been packed by someone else. it is illegal, they didn't pack it. and i'm sure the other rigger wouldn't be too happy about some other rigger opening thier packjob, and reclosing it, and maybe using a blank seal and scratching the old numbers in. i would say you will have to get a new re-pack if it wasn't the same rigger that packed it that is intalling the handle. later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrHixxx 0 #9 May 9, 2003 I agree with Jess. No way in hell i would reseal someone else's reserve pack job. *** Ditto -Hixxxdeath,as men call him, ends what they call men -but beauty is more now than dying’s when Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aneblett 0 #10 May 9, 2003 I got a soft reserve pillow on my new voodoo too! That is new for me. About the only think that i thought of when jumping it for the firest time was to practice felling it and to keep my hands warm. This isn't an issue for you southerners but up here where it gets cold in the fall you can have cold hands that don't work quite right and that would be no fun! AGeS.E.X. party #2 ..It is far worse to live with fear, than to die confronting it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #11 May 10, 2003 It depends on how much free-flying you do. It only takes one accidental bad grip on a D-handle to initiate bad things... also true for RW. I would stick with the pad reserve handle. If you really want the D-handle, call Sunpath or dealer and have your order checked. I'd replace it for you, but it will cost the same as a full reserve repack.Ken "Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #12 May 12, 2003 Quoteit is illegal, they didn't pack it Just to clarify, resealing a rig IS NOT illegal, as long as it's noted on the card that it was RESEALED ONLY. Obviously, trying to take credit for the packjob and sealing it as such is a NO GO. As with most things in life, if you make copious notes on what you've done (and not done) and you're within the scope of practice of your ticket, you're generally just fine, from a legal standpoint. Of course, it's much preferred to just have the whole thing repacked and certified that way, but it's not illegal to reseal a rig (again, as long as it's annotated). "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #13 May 12, 2003 QuoteJust to clarify, resealing a rig IS NOT illegal ok, so your saying i can open up a rig, put in a new handle, and reseal.. i don't think i'm getting something here. please explain. thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #14 May 12, 2003 As long as you don't open the pack job it was my take that all you have to do is fully note on the card EXACTLY what you did and you should be able to reseal it. Ie note you temp pined it, removed old handle, installed new, removed temp pin and resealed.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #15 May 12, 2003 QuoteOf course, it's much preferred to just have the whole thing repacked and certified that way, but it's not illegal to reseal a rig (again, as long as it's annotated). Legalities aside, would you do this in your own loft?Skydiving is for cool people only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #16 May 13, 2003 QuoteAs long as you don't open the pack job it was my take that all you have to do is fully note on the card EXACTLY what you did and you should be able to reseal it. Ie note you temp pined it, removed old handle, installed new, removed temp pin and resealed. i can see that, but i'm still not sure if i would be confortable with someone taking my seal off, putting in a new handle, and then re-sealing it. i mean (and this more than likely wouldn't happen) would if they put in a defective handle, that could of been stoped if they inspected it, and someone dies, now this is going back on me, not the rigger who put in the new handle, right. because, i don't think the other rigger would want to take responibilty for the packjob that wasn't his or her's. just my $.02 later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #17 May 13, 2003 Quoteok, so your saying i can open up a rig, put in a new handle, and reseal.. i don't think i'm getting something here. No, that's not what I'm saying...read the words...it is NOT illegal to RESEAL a rig, providing you annotate that on the card. I said nothing about opening the packjob up or anything like that. I'm not saying I'd put my seal on someone elses packjob, but if I watched the seal break off a rig, I'd have no compunction about sealing the rig and marking in big bold letters, RESEAL ONLY and the date. I think it's probably pretty obvious that if you annotate what you do, you're covering yourself...just don't practice outside your scope. Now, as for replacing a handle. My personal opinion is that if I can slip a temp-pin in, remove the handle and replace it with a new handle, then annotate all that on the Card, I'll do it...and I'll mark the Card so it's obvious. As soon as I open the container though, the game changes. "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #18 May 13, 2003 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Of course, it's much preferred to just have the whole thing repacked and certified that way, but it's not illegal to reseal a rig (again, as long as it's annotated). ------------------------------------------------------------ Legalities aside, would you do this in your own loft? ------------------------------------------------------------ Sigh I think a lot depends on specific situations. Would I take a rig from someone I'm not familiar with that was packed by someone I don't know from another loft with a broken or missing seal and reseal it? No Would I take a rig from one of our locals or instructors that I trust, that has been packed by one of my riggers in my loft and has a broken seal and reseal it? Probably. But I'd also note on the card what I did so it was clear. Would I simply close up an opened rig, even if it looked like it was inadvertent? No. Regardless of who's it was...there are simply too many things that can go wrong when a rig opens up. It needs to be laid out and repacked. I think the basic rule is "use common sense". Amazing how that works, isn't it....? "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites