steveorino 7 #1 February 28, 2006 There are always exceptions -- but what is your norm? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dokeman 0 #2 February 28, 2006 we arent a cessna only dz, but sometimes we have cessna only days when its less busy. Those days, i end up doing everything myself. We have a linear setup that does dvd or vhs, their preferance. And I do my digital still on my laptop. But on busy weekends, we have packers and video dubber. But always same day delivery, usually within 30 minutes or less Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #3 March 2, 2006 I guess the responses surprised me. I expected to see more non-linear set ups. This is 2006 man, not the 80s! Oh well, speed wins over quality I guess. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #4 March 2, 2006 As long as you know what you are shooting for Linear is the fastest way to turn out a good looking project. Even though I don't jump at a Cessna DZ its really nice to land, walk in and edit and be done in 10 minutes with everything. No having to go home and take my time from there to keep doing work that I could have done at the DZ. You just have to use the effects in the camera and shoot for it. Don't make shots longer then needed since you can't crop them out later. Think ahead and the project can look as good as someone that spends an hour editing on a computer with a whole lot less effort put into it.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #5 March 2, 2006 Quote Think ahead and the project can look as good as someone that spends an hour editing on a computer with a whole lot less effort put into it. I haven't seen one yet that has but maybe I'm just looking at the wrong videos or vidiot. BTW If the computer doesn't crash ... (a big IF at times) I can edit non-linear in 20-30 minutes. not an hour. A while back there was a gal vidiot who said they edited non-linear in 10 minutes. How? I don't know. It might be worth a search on these forums. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #6 March 2, 2006 Editing a 3 minutes video in 10 minutes is'nt hard if you have templetes and all your stock footage already shot. Editing a raw 10 minute video takes at least 10 minutes to import and another 10 to export. By that point I'm already packed and the customer has a completed video and are on their way out the door. When we actaulyl start jumping again this year I'll digitize one of my videos. I really wish we had a mixing board for titles but I get by with out. I guess you also should look at how long the videos are. I've seen some that are less then 3 minutes total and I've seen some that are 15+ minutes long. The 15 minute ones drag by, but the 3 minute ones just seem cheap to me.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dokeman 0 #7 March 2, 2006 quality wise, the videos are the same. With a non linear, you can add more effects, but their first skydive was plenty enough effect. Untill non linear catches up speed wise, i think that linear will continue to be the standard. I can have a complete video done in 10 minutes, and ours end up being around 7 minutes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #8 March 2, 2006 I don't know how quality suffers. The linear board stores the mini DV images in digital format and then the tape records right to the DVD recorder through the linear board. We store the still images backwards from the landing, through the opening, through the exit shot, an in-air plane, and a gear up shot. That gets the editor back to the opening sequence and the play through is about 8-10 minutes. The whole thing takes about 15 minutes and the stills are burning to CD while that is happening. Somebody shit-hot on a Mac might be able to do it as fast, but using an editor is usually faster than having a camera flier do it, cause the editor stays in the editing groove. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverds 0 #9 March 2, 2006 QuoteI really wish we had a mixing board for titles but I get by with out. You can pick them up on ebay for under $100. The one I have (videonics tm-2000) does video fades as well which is nice for the beginning and end of the video. Skydive Radio Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #10 March 2, 2006 QuoteI don't know how quality suffers. The linear board stores the mini DV images in digital format and then the tape records right to the DVD recorder through the linear board. ... I'm not sure, but I think it loses quality when it captures from RCA cords as opposed to firewire. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #11 March 3, 2006 Yeah, the output through RCA jacks in analog. Regardless of how the linear board is buffering the info there is still going to be losses because of the D to A to D conversions. The videos I have done that were pure digital, i.e. DV --> Firewire --> Premier --> DVD looked much cleaner than stuff that went through a linear board on my friend's equipment. In fact I had a bunch of people come up to me after I "screened" one of my DVDs asking me how I got the videos "so crisp and clear". That was a first for me. NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pcalandra 0 #12 March 3, 2006 Steve, we are not a totally Cesna DZ, we have an Otter BUT all out camera people are expected to do their own edinting however they wish and deliver typically before they get on their next load in the rotation. You'll never edit non-linear faster than linear until they day we are recording to some sort of flash drive or memory and can skip the import. Then the next most important thing for me is exporting in real-time, not having to rely on the computers software codec taking the time to encode then burn to DVD. Linear can look as good or better than non-linear. My personal opinion is (I used to be a video editor) is that all too often most people abuse the "F" out of the effects and it really detracts fromt he actual skydive. How many effects do you see in a movie? Usually none other than fade to/from black and a dissolve or 2. Effects are over rated, give me some quality and creative photography any day. Sorry for the rant, but I had to get it out a slong as we got off topic a little. Lastly, if you take S-video out of your camcorder through a digital mixer or even straight into a DVD recorder, the quality is fine at least until we get into the HD world Pat Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #13 March 4, 2006 QuoteSorry for the rant, but I had to get it out as long as we got off topic a little. I wouldn't consider that a rant, pat, just good info. I agree that people tend to over do the effects. I prefer straight cuts with one or two fades myself. The one thing I "notice" as being better in NLE than LE is the stills taken from a digital camera are way better than captured stills regardless whether you captured them with NLE or LEditing. That is one thing NLE can add that I guess LE can't. chrissay says she can edit NLE in 10 minutes with templates. I'm looking forward to her email with how she does that. One thing this poll did is illustrate to me that we need to get the videos out the same day - preferably soon after the jump. At least that seems to be the industry standard. As far as LE vs NLE I guess I'm enough of an artist I'd prefer the extra 10-15 minutes to get out what I perceive to be a better product via NLEditing. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pcalandra 0 #14 March 4, 2006 I agree Steve, I'm also looking forward to chrissay suggestions and workflow if you could share that it would be greatly appreciated! Pat Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kansasskydiver 0 #15 March 5, 2006 Ok I have a side question. I'm editing both linear and non linear, just depends if I'm at my home dz, how much work, or traveling etc at boogies. I burn straight to DVD from the rca port and run the audio into a sound board where i have 2 mp3 players that i run to mix all the sound then master out of the sound board to the audio in (rca) on the dvd burner. I would prefer to use straight firewire, but then I can't edit the audio in, am I doing something wrong or is this just how it is?<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #16 March 5, 2006 You could run "S" video out and only run your audio in RCA. But nothing wrong with your doing now. ~you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
