beemertec 0 #1 May 8, 2003 I am currently jumping an Aeroglide 160. I have a new Hornet 135 I plan to start jumping in the next 25-50 jumps. ( I weigh 155 lbs.) I want to buy a new container to put it in because it is going to feel very loose in my cuurent container. If I buy a brand new container then I have to get a reserve, and I also want to buy a cypress. I saw a Mirage G3 (M3) with cypress reserve and a heatwave 150. If I went with a set up like this, am I better off jumping the heatwave because it is larger, even though it is fully elliptical or am I better off jumping the smaller semi-elliptical hornet. Blue Skies Steve Ok, so it's pink, but I'm secure in my manhood, and I still look cool coming in under it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #2 May 8, 2003 If your jump numbers in your profile are up to date, I think I would hold off on a fully elliptical canopy for a bit. This is probably somthing you want to talk to some of the experienced people around your DZ about (preferabbly the S&TA and some instructors).--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beemertec 0 #3 May 8, 2003 My Dzo thinks I am ready for my 135, and using the guidlines I've seen posted here I think I am, too. I just saw that rig and thought maybe the larger canopy would be safer. I could allways put my hornet in it and sell the heatwave. Thanks Dave. Blue Skies Steve Ok, so it's pink, but I'm secure in my manhood, and I still look cool coming in under it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mouth 0 #4 May 9, 2003 Steve, Who have you talked with at the DZ? -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beemertec 0 #5 May 9, 2003 At Thomaston only JR. I am talking about Sandor at Ga Skydiving Center. He is the DZO there and was my AFF instructor. He agrees with me that at my weight with 20 or so jumps over the next few weeks I should be ready for the 135. I would actually even feel more comfortable jumping in Thomaston anyway because there are more outs and more room if I had to land off. Blue Skies Steve Ok, so it's pink, but I'm secure in my manhood, and I still look cool coming in under it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jethers203 0 #6 May 9, 2003 What's up man, I feel the same as Aggiedave. I think fully elliptical chutes should be used by really experienced jumpers. I am not saying you aren't, but at 36 jumps, there is still a lot to learn. That is my honest opinion. If your DZO said the 135 Hornet is good for you, go for it. Building experience on a semi elliptical chute will be good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #7 May 9, 2003 Have you read the article on PD's website about smaller canopies? I'd recommend it highly before jumping a 135 loaded at 1.3 when you have 40 jumps. The website appears to be down at the moment or I'd post the URL. I'd suggest finding someone who wants a Heatwave 150 and has a Sabre2/Safire/Hornet 150. Trade. Jump the semi-elliptical 150 for 100 or more jumps. Know how to do and practice regularly everything on billvon's list. Then break out that 135. Why do you want to go so small for your first main anyway? What's the rush? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beemertec 0 #8 May 9, 2003 I read the article. As far as downsizing. I was initially going to buy a hornet 150, but both my Aff instructors as well as a number of experienced jumpers in Rome said I would get bored with it fairly quickly. They suggested I get the 135. Now that I have it in my closet (and, yes I know it is not going anywhere) I really want to jump it. Blue Skies Steve Ok, so it's pink, but I'm secure in my manhood, and I still look cool coming in under it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikeat10500 12 #9 May 9, 2003 QuoteI read the article. As far as downsizing. I was initially going to buy a hornet 150, but both my Aff instructors as well as a number of experienced jumpers in Rome said I would get bored with it fairly quickly. They suggested I get the 135. Now that I have it in my closet (and, yes I know it is not going anywhere) I really want to jump it. Hey you know their right...it's much better to be dead or permanently crippled than to be bored! ( can you here me beating my head against the wall from there?) ...mike----------------------------------- Mike Wheadon B-3715,HEMP#1 Higher Expectations for Modern Parachutists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beemertec 0 #10 May 9, 2003 Quote ( can you here me beating my head against the wall from there?) See, that's why I'm here. I am getting the idea I should wait to start jumping my new canopy. That is difficult to do though. Thanks for the input. You guys are a great help keeping us newbies in one piece. Blue Skies Steve Ok, so it's pink, but I'm secure in my manhood, and I still look cool coming in under it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beemertec 0 #11 May 9, 2003 While I have you here. Is crew really a good way to learn canopy control in preparation for high performance landings later on? Blue Skies Steve Ok, so it's pink, but I'm secure in my manhood, and I still look cool coming in under it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #12 May 9, 2003 5 CRW jumps will teach you more about all aspects of canopy control then 10 solo hop and pops will. They don't even have to be full contact CRW, just doing end cell bumps will teach you about riser input and side slides and warping and so much moreYesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SSkydiver 0 #13 May 9, 2003 Hey Steve. I'm new to this sport to with a few more jumps than you. At around 50 jumps i purchased a used Sabre2 135 from the advice of a few people. After i got it i checked with even more people including instuctors and then it was decided maybe i should stick to a canopy no lower than a 150. I'm 190 out the door so i would have had a windload of 1.40. Well, i resold the Sabre2 and continued to jump my Merit 170. Instead of buying a 150, i decided to buy a Sabre2 170 which i actually got today. My wingload is now 1.11. I know i can fly a 150 but i thought to myself "why the risk". High wingload on equals to much faster flight and much faster malfunctions. Read the reviews of the Sabre2 and the Spectre. We newbies feel invinsible sometimes thinking we know it all but we really dont. At 1.3 wingload at your level your looking at some possible serious pain or worse. Is it worth it? My DZO said the same about me getting a 135 but i researched for about a month a stayed with a 170. A 150 gives you a 1.16 wingload. Low enough to have a forgiving canopy yet high enough to have some good fun and thats what skydiving is all about........FUN. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikeat10500 12 #14 May 9, 2003 Beemertec I am very sorry for not using more tact in my first post as it does not lend to my credibility. But getting bored is a piss poor reason (as I see it) to downsize. Learning CRW or even better taking the Advanced Canopy Control Course will show you what really happens with canopy inputs( risers, toggles, etc). With another canopy close by, you will now have a reference. Here is another reference... my DZO bought some used gear with a Stiletto 150 in it and I jumped it a few times( WOW very nice). So I recommended he try it...now he jumps it as his main, he' about 135lbs with 2000+ jumps and does not complain about being bored. I also jumped a hornet 135 ( I'm 165lbs min) and think the wing loading alone makes it more of an ankle breaker in the making. ....mike ----------------------------------- Mike Wheadon B-3715,HEMP#1 Higher Expectations for Modern Parachutists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beemertec 0 #15 May 9, 2003 No offense taken here. I don't get to concerened about tact. I prefer that you just give to me straight, no holds barred, and you did. Thanks, again. Think I'll look for a 150. Blue Skies Steve Ok, so it's pink, but I'm secure in my manhood, and I still look cool coming in under it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parachutist 2 #16 May 9, 2003 QuoteWhile I have you here. Is crew really a good way to learn canopy control in preparation for high performance landings later on? You can learn a great deal about canopy flight doing CReW, and I have some CReW canopies out at Thomaston, ready to use. If you want to try it out, just send me an e-mail and we can schedule a day for it. CReW is a good prerequisite to high performance landings because it can teach you how to use all of your main controls (front risers, rear risers, brake toggles). Also you will learn to understand a stall... how to stall your canopy intentionally and how to avoid stalling it when you need it to fly. Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikeat10500 12 #17 May 9, 2003 Steve ....and it's not all about safety...on a really hot day, after a student load...I can open high with my big fat main...reach into my jumpsuit...pull out an ice cold beer, and with my low rate of descent...finish it off and wipe the silly grin off my face before landing. P.S. Never drop beer bottles from altitude. ...mike ----------------------------------- Mike Wheadon B-3715,HEMP#1 Higher Expectations for Modern Parachutists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beemertec 0 #18 May 9, 2003 Quote I can open high with my big fat main...reach into my jumpsuit...pull out an ice cold beer, and with my low rate of descent...finish it off and wipe the silly grin off my face before landing. So that's what the inside pocket in my jumpsuit is for. Blue Skies Steve Ok, so it's pink, but I'm secure in my manhood, and I still look cool coming in under it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikeat10500 12 #19 May 9, 2003 Yep!!! Watch it...they get slippery. ....mike ----------------------------------- Mike Wheadon B-3715,HEMP#1 Higher Expectations for Modern Parachutists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #20 May 9, 2003 Quote Yep!!! Watch it...they get slippery. Someday, if you ask, I'll tell you a funny story about that and some stuff that happened and almost happened badly, but is funny now...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikeat10500 12 #21 May 9, 2003 Dave Some day we will trade some stories! 'till then... ----------------------------------- Mike Wheadon B-3715,HEMP#1 Higher Expectations for Modern Parachutists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
