The111 1 #1 October 20, 2005 I'm a little annoyed by something the counter is doing on my HC90, not sure if it's like this on other cameras or what. I'm only on the 2nd tape too, so this may not be normal, but here's what I'm seeing so far. With the first tape, the counter kept resetting itself every few recording sessions. Like one day's jumps would be on 0:00-7:00, and then after 7:00 for the next day's jumps it would start over at 0:00 again. Made it very hard to find clips sometimes. And here's the weirdest part: when I finally finished recording the tape, this problem fixed itself, and the counter changed to one continuous (0:00-60:00) counter throughout the whole tape. WTF? So now I'm on the second tape and seeing the same annoying thing happen. I'm assuming when I fill it up it will "switch" again and fix itself. It's still annoying now because it makes clips harder to find in the meantime. I've searched the instruction manual but can't find anything about this. Anyone know about it? Is there a way I can force the counter to be continuous WHILE recording? And just out of curiosity, anyone know WHY it switched at the end of the first tape?www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #2 October 20, 2005 did you set clock and date on the camera ?? do you take the battery out to recharge or zse the camera directly with the charger ?? Might be acause...scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superfletch 1 #3 October 20, 2005 did you eject the tape at all in the middle of recording sessions, perhaps between loads or during the week when you weren't skydiving? Gary "Superfletch" Fletcher D-26145; USPA Coach, IAD/I, AFF/I Videographer/Photographer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #4 October 20, 2005 Hmm, I just got a second bigger battery and was swapping them back and forth to charge each fully, maybe that had something to do with it?www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #5 October 20, 2005 Quotedid you eject the tape at all in the middle of recording sessions, perhaps between loads or during the week when you weren't skydiving? On the second tape I have ejected it more than once, but on the first tape I did not until it was complete, and that tape still did the "segmented counter" thing...www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #6 October 20, 2005 Segmented counter is good. It lets you know how many minutes total you have shot for that session. For a tandem video if you are on the climb up and notice its already at 4 minutes then you can skimp on in plane interviews. If its at 2 minutes then you need to fill some more tape. At each break in the tape (blank spot in Data code layer) the counter will reset. The screen will also show you how much total tape you have left so you know if you need to change out or if you have 50 minutes left. You can zero out a tape by recording nothing but blank onto it before using it, but thats only has limited applications. I'm not seeing why you would want a counter that tells how many total minutes and seconds of tape has been shot. Can you explain why?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #7 October 20, 2005 QuoteI'm not seeing why you would want a counter that tells how many total minutes and seconds of tape has been shot. Can you explain why? For archival purposes. For example: Jump 459 - 00:00 Jump 460 - 02:15 Jump 461 - 03:59 And so on, WITHOUT resetting. If you counter resets every few jumps, then how do I find jump xxx? Write down in my book that it is at "7:00"? Doesn't help me out much if there are 3 or 4 instances of 7:00 on the same tape. QuoteYou can zero out a tape by recording nothing but blank onto it before using it, but thats only has limited applications. Are you talking about a new tape? Wouldn't a new tape already be zeroed out automatically?www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #8 October 20, 2005 A new tape is blank media. By recording black on top of it you are laying down a data code layer that is usable now. It makes Scene detection a lot easier in a lot of programs since if there is one frame of data different then the rest it will trigger a new scene that way. This is also what resets your timer. If during playback there is a break in the data code layer it automatically starts the timer over again. If you never remove the battery, eject the tape and never play the footage back it will have a 60 minute count at the end of the tape. Not too practical though. Premiere and most editing systems have a cue list sheet of capture to allow you to do exactly what you are wanting it to do.What using a program like that will get you is Cue cards like this: name path timecode-in timecode-out file-in duration rec.date rec.date-end delete batch comment cap.date sequence tape standard aspect interlaced dropped# audio errors sourcefile mod.info 2005 Tape1'20050521 11.45.47 . 0;00;00;02 0;00;03;23 0;00;00;00 0;00;00;13 2005-05-21 11:45:47 2005-05-21 11:45:50 2005-09-10 00:13:19 1 2005 Tape1 NTSC 4:3 interlaced 0 48kHz 0 2005 Tape1'20050521 12.10.38 . 0;00;03;26 0;01;38;02 0;00;00;13 0;00;09;29 2005-05-21 12:10:38 2005-05-21 12:12:12 2005-09-10 00:13:20 2 2005 Tape1 NTSC 4:3 interlaced 0 48kHz 0 2005 Tape1'20050521 13.23.05 . 0;01;38;20 0;03;06;09 0;00;10;12 0;00;09;08 2005-05-21 13:23:05 2005-05-21 13:24:32 2005-09-10 00:13:29 3 2005 Tape1 NTSC 4:3 interlaced 0 48kHz 0 2005 Tape1'20050521 14.54.32 . 0;03;06;11 0;06;18;26 0;00;19;20 0;00;20;10 2005-05-21 14:54:32 2005-05-21 14:57:44 2005-09-10 00:13:38 4 2005 Tape1 NTSC 4:3 interlaced 0 0 2005 Tape1 . -1 -1 0;00;40;00 0;00;00;07 - - 2005-09-10 00:14:00 5 2005 Tape1 NTSC 4:3 progessive 0 0 2005 Tape1'20050522 12.36.27 . 0;00;00;02 0;00;03;24 0;00;40;07 0;00;00;13 2005-05-22 12:36:27 2005-05-22 12:36:30 2005-09-10 00:14:01 6 2005 Tape1 NTSC 4:3 interlaced 0 48kHz 0 2005 Tape1'20050522 13.25.12 . 0;00;04;12 0;00;04;12 0;00;40;20 0;00;00;01 2005-05-22 13:25:12 2005-05-22 13:25:12 2005-09-10 00:14:02 7 2005 Tape1 NTSC 4:3 interlaced 0 48kHz 0 2005 Tape1'20050522 13.26.18 . 0;00;04;13 0;03;03;25 0;00;40;21 0;00;18;28 2005-05-22 13:26:18 2005-05-22 13:29:18 2005-09-10 00:14:03 8 2005 Tape1 NTSC 4:3 interlaced 0 48kHz 0 2005 Tape1'20050522 14.54.17 . 0;03;04;12 0;06;24;14 0;00;59;19 0;00;21;05 2005-05-22 14:54:17 2005-05-22 14:57:37 2005-09-10 00:14:20 9 2005 Tape1 NTSC 4:3 interlaced 0 48kHz 0 Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #9 October 20, 2005 Hmm, that's nice to know I guess but it doesn't help if I'm at the DZ (without a PC or editing software) and have a tape that my friend wants to copy a part of. I would prefer to have my own little info card I stuck in the tape case, so when I want to find jump "xxx" I can see on the info card exactly what time it is at. So I can fast forward exactly to that time and cue up the footage for my friend. You may think I'm crazy but I want my continuous counter. And sometimes I have to remove the battery or eject the tape. I guess I can see how scene breaks are useful, but why can't we have both? Like when watching a DVD movie on your TV, sure there are chapters you can skip to, but there is also an overall counter, so you can always tell how far from the beginning of the movie you are. I'm still not sure how the first tape re-ordered itself to a continuous counter when I filled it all the way up...www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #10 October 21, 2005 Hopefully you are shooting enough video that you are leaving tapes at home because other wise its too many to carry. I shot 7 DV tapes this year. I carry the current tape and possibly a previous plus a few blanks. In the 4 years I've jumped video I've only been asked for video later less then 3 times. And only one of them got it since the rest asked me for video I shot over 4-5 months previous Eventually you will want to train your friends that if they want a cool shot they ask when it happened or they won't see it again. The timer is based off the Data code layer. If you break that in any way the timer is reset. Sony camera's do not have that since it does not know if a blank area on the tape is a single frame or 55 minutes worth of blank tape. Tapes are spun with approx the same amount of tape but it can be off by as little as a few mm or off by 30+ seconds. The camera has no idea how much is exactly on it till its almost out.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #11 October 21, 2005 Just catalog the skydives by the minutes of tape remaining, it should get you close FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #12 October 21, 2005 QuoteI shot 7 DV tapes this year. I carry the current tape and possibly a previous plus a few blanks. In the 4 years I've jumped video I've only been asked for video later less then 3 times. I've already used 2 tapes in 3 weeks. (The first day I was taping canopy rides). I jump with a couple of other wingsuiters and we all have camera and all swap footage back and forth after every jump. You are right, for the most part we swap at the end of the day but sometimes somebody wants something that may be a few days old and that takes a while to find. Oh well, I'll make it work... using the tape remaining counter is a good idea. Thanks for the replies. :)www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
