Chris86 0 #1 May 3, 2003 Soon im going to buy my first canopy and i would be interested to hear some opinions on the Omega? How is it compared to the Sabre 2 and PISA Hornet? thx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #2 May 3, 2003 Think you'd be better off comparing the safire to the sabre2 / hornet, as the omega is a 7 cell whereas all the others are 9. Omega would be comperable to the Spectre____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TALONSKY 0 #3 May 5, 2003 I use to own a Safire and absolutely loved it. Here is some info on the Omega and Safire you might need to know I e-mailed Icarus and explained that this had been talked about here and if they could give me a reply that I could post so here is Icarus's reply The Safire-1 and the Omega are measured differently to PD canopies. As a rough guide a Safire-1 or Omega is about the same size as the next size down - eg A Safire 149 is about a 135. A Safire 119 is about a 109. Use an equation of 8%. The Safire-2 and Omni (Omni supercedes Omega) are measured the same as PD. All other Icarus Canopies are measured the same as PD. The reason for the difference is due to Precision measuring their canopies differently. Icarus have always measured the same as PD however when we originally commenced in the USA, Precision were building parachutes for us under license and were doing it using their size equations and not Icarus/PD's. We have therefore had to wait to supercede these models to change the size equation. Only the Safire and Omega were affected. Blue skies Simon Icarus Canopies USA: 1S671 Bender Lane, West Chicago, IL 60185, USA Ph. (630) 562-2735, Fax (630) 231-4430 Europe: P.I. El Ramassar, c/ Vallés, s/n O8520, Les Franqueses, Barcelona, SPAIN. Ph. (34) 938 496 432, Fax (34) 938 497 971 www.icaruscanopies.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #4 May 5, 2003 The new version of the omega is the omni, and both canopies are in the same class as the spectre. It will also have the icarus toggle stroke which is longer than the PD stroke. Not an issue though, it has plenty of flare and it's easy to get use to the longer stroke.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grosfion 0 #5 May 6, 2003 Was jumping a Omega a while ago. It took me quiet a few jumps to figure out how to flare that canopy. I wasn't the best canopy pilot at that time, but I had no problems landing a Sabre. I also jumped a Spectre after and I did not have these problems. But if you get used to the Omega it's a lot of fun. blues Marcus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GroundZero 0 #6 May 6, 2003 For best idea on size, lay any canopy down on the carpet, spread it out , then stretch the "other canopy" out on top of it... This is how any person compares "true" size. Size does not always define performance or flight characteristics. Test jump any canopy in a relative current size, then you decide which is best for you. With main canopies, Precision and PD are thinking much the same, (and always have), other manufacturers have only clouded the size issue. Physically measure the canopy to see for yourself. Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TALONSKY 0 #7 May 6, 2003 That is really great advise. I actually did that. I took my Safire 169 and laid it over the top of a Sabre 150. Do to the tapper on the Safire it was hard to get a perfect comparison but they were very close. I then took some measurement of each canopy and created a rough model in CAD now understand by no means is this completely acurate I just was trying to compansate for the tapper on the Safire. Anyway the Safire 169 came in being just a tad bit smaller than a Sabre 150. Blue Skies Kirk PS: I realize the info that I post from Simon at Icarus places the responsibility for the measuring discrepancy on Precision, but in my opinion the reason for the discrepancy is irrelevant. What is very relevant is getting the information out that the original Safire and Omega are measured differently than PD products. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alain 0 #8 May 6, 2003 so does it apply only the US/precisions made Safire and omega ? what about those made in Spain and New-Zealand ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TALONSKY 0 #9 May 6, 2003 My Safire was made in Spain. The sizing issue applies to all Safire 1's and Omega's. Kirk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
towerrat 0 #10 May 6, 2003 I jumped one ( about ten jumps)at about a 1.3 wing loading and thought it was overly ground hungry.Play stupid games, win stupid prizes! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
