The111 1 #1 October 5, 2005 Can't seem to find this info anywhere else, probably because the questions are too basic for anybody else to ask. How do you store/archive your video footage? DV tapes? Do they decrease in quality with repeated plays? Uncompressed AVI? (is this what people mean by raw video?) Master to DVD? Is video still 100% quality after being mastered to DVD? Any info is appreciated... www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #2 October 5, 2005 DVD video is mucho compressed, not an option. Avi is ok, but I lost a lot of footage because someone deleted a directory on the ext harddive, and because a lot of dvd's (about 2 yrs old) with avi's on them now have "cyclic redundancy errors" whatever that means, they are unreadable now I only ever ruined one mini dv tape, so I guess I'll export to tape and store stuff that way, tape is the cheapest option anyway. ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #3 October 5, 2005 Quotea lot of dvd's (about 2 yrs old) with avi's on them now have "cyclic redundancy errors" whatever that means, they are unreadable now Probably cheap media. Read this. I store LOTS of data (and I mean lots), for various purposes, on DVD-R and CD-R. I use Taiyo Yuden blanks and I burn the important stuff twice. I haven't had any bad discs since I stopped using Ritek blanks years ago (half the media you find in retail stores, in USA at least, with a variety of different brand names on the label, is actually made by Ritek). Quotetape is the cheapest option anyway. I'm not sure about that. The best DVD-R's are $1 and will last forever (practically). To the best of my understanding, 3 DVD-R's can hold the equivalent of 1 DV tape in uncompressed video. High quality DV tapes are more than $3, and the tapes won't last forever.www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #4 October 5, 2005 Over here, it's EUR 4 or a Sony DV tape, and about EUR 1.40 for a DVD, if you just go to a shop. We have to pay " media copy rights" on all writable media, and it's a lot for a DVD (0.60 eurocents i think). So the price is about the same (for legal DVD's anyway). Cheap media, well some of the broken dvd's and cd's were philips, sony, tdk, basf/emtec etc, others the cheaper brands. But I didn't check the numbers to see who made them. Maybe I should start... Righ now i burn important stuff to cd/dvd twice, and a lot is on my harddrives. I just really need to clean those up ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #5 October 5, 2005 So far I've kept all the raw footage on DV tape and when I've finished using clips in edits I burn them as data to DVD's (ie raw AVI's stored on a data DVD). These DVD's can be quite accurately catalogued for easy access to individual clips. This way I have two copies that each cost me roughly the same. I guess I ought to find a reliable buddy and swap DV tapes with him so if either of us ever have a house fire at least one set of copies would survive... the odds of two house fires in short succession are probably acceptable. I'm not exactly a big user yet though. I can imagine this system being a major pain, very time consuming and quite expensive if I were churning though a lot of tapes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #6 October 5, 2005 Raw uncompressed DV footage is about 5 minutes per gig. On an average DVD you get about 20-25 minutes uncompressed footage. Thats at least 3 DVD's per DV tape. A DV tape hols roughly about 12 gigs worth of data. I think your math was backwards Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #7 October 5, 2005 I said: 3 DVD-R's can hold the equivalent of 1 DV tape You said: Thats at least 3 DVD's per DV tape. I think your math was backwards I don't get it... how was that backwards?www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #8 October 5, 2005 Opps I misread that. I thought you said that 1 DVD could hold 3 DV tapes. DVD's still require it to be put into MPG unless you are using it in data mode. I've got a collection of probally 50+ DV tapes through out the last 4-5 years going right now. I'm on my 7th DV tape in 2005 so far and it will be full by this weekend. Just the sheer volume of DVD's needed to catalog the video so far is not worth my time to capture then burn it. 150 DVD's is a whole lot to manage also. Besides reusing DV tape is not worth it due to the artifacting factor.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plutoniumsalmon 0 #9 October 6, 2005 Get a hard drive: a lacie . You will pay less than a dollar a gig but that way you will have all your stuff in a neat little package. Make sure its firewire and spins at 7200 or more rpms, that way you can use it for editing. I dont like dvds because they get scratched and lost too easily.Pointy birds Oh pointy pointy Anoint my head Anointy nointy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #10 October 6, 2005 QuoteGet a hard drive: a lacie . You will pay less than a dollar a gig but that way you will have all your stuff in a neat little package. Make sure its firewire and spins at 7200 or more rpms, that way you can use it for editing. I dont like dvds because they get scratched and lost too easily. and hard drives crash... it's painfull when you loose shit.. I dont store much of anything that I really want to keep on a single drive, ... Gets expensive, but RAID arrays are the way to go.. (not RAID 0 either) FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #11 October 6, 2005 QuoteGet a hard drive: a lacie . You will pay less than a dollar a gig but that way you will have all your stuff in a neat little package. Make sure its firewire and spins at 7200 or more rpms, that way you can use it for editing. I dont like dvds because they get scratched and lost too easily. I have a few large external Maxtor HDD's that I use for various purposes, but I do not trust them as a stable data storage medium. The fact that they interact with Windows on a regular basis means they are not static, and I've had data go bad more than once on them. Optical discs are truly static if you finalize them, and if you know which discs to use, and how to handle and store them, I consider them a better choice than a magnetic disk. Only downside is if you are trying to store a file > 4.5GB. I guess then you could RAR archive it. Based on the replies in this thread, I have decided to keep all my original DV tapes, but also back up raw AVI's to DVD-R's (my choice, vs a HDD). Thanks guys. www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #12 October 6, 2005 I have 3 external hd's. And an extra internal one, making 6 harddrives total. All full The oldest ext hd makes a lot of noise, it still works most of the time, for now, but ... We had one brand new ext hd crash at the world record last year, not funny. I guess the moral is, don't put your eggs all in one basket! ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoter 0 #13 October 6, 2005 QuoteI dont like dvds because they get scratched and lost too easily. Ditto.......even with the best archiving intentions I find that some of my precious DVD's get scratched /damaged or for some unexplained reason like the footage I needed off one thats been stored for less than a year.....just does not want to read !!!....dammit External hardrives for raw data storage and export 'final versions' of edits to DV tape and DVD.... All your eggs in 'a few' baskets is the way to go IMHO ( and I hear y'all about needing to tidy up your hardrives........I think this is the nemesis of all digital editors....cleaning up hardrive time is always wasted editing time !! so doesnt get done quite as often as it should !!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plutoniumsalmon 0 #14 October 7, 2005 Maxtors are horrible external external hard drives. Use a LaCie, I have at least one running constanly (amongst other things I edit for a living) and have never had a problem with it. But then again if all you shoot is dv then DVD's might be an ok solution. Eventhough it might be time consuming to burn them, depending of course on how much data you have and generate. I also suppose that the best solution, eventhough expensive right now, will eventually be something like the P2 cardsPointy birds Oh pointy pointy Anoint my head Anointy nointy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #15 October 7, 2005 Quoteand I hear y'all about needing to tidy up your hardrives........I think this is the nemesis of all digital editors.... I think the biggest issue is 'some' people not always keeping projects/computers 'clean' while working. Just puting your files on 20 different folders and dirs all over your hard-drive, and thinking 'I'll clean it up later'. But usually, the next project starts before the firs one is finished and the cleaning up never happens. Just take time to archive and organise.. After each project I make, I export the raw, but clean-cut footage to 2 DV tapes (1 backup:) and export the edited project back to a 2 DV tapes. Then I create a DVD MPG file of the edited project, and then clean all folders...and my HD is empty again... It takes time..and it sucks..cause it costs you a few hours...but in the long-run it saves you much, much more.. The exporting of 'raw' footage (usualy captured from 2 or 3, to sometimes 20 different tapes) to one or two clean tapes is also quite handy. That way, you can clean/re-use your orginal tapes..since a lot of times, a 60 minute tape only has about 20 minutes of stuff (or less) that you actualy want to save for later..... I spent 5 days going through all my tapes from last year a while ago. But now I jst have 6 DV tapes, all with footage ready to edit. Instead of the 50+ tapes where all the footage was originaly on...JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
