Tandem Videos

[StevePhelps 0]

I did a quick search and not much luck. Is there any place out there that has "typical" tandem videos to view. I mean the entire video you'd hand to a customer?

I'm bored with my promo - plane antics - jump-landing - slow mo -raw footage - still - credits.
Maybe its too long too (12 minutes)

I need some inspiration!

FOLLOW UP QUESTION: How long should it be?

I saw a video Arville did in Memorial DVD for Pedro Munoz. Now that was too cool, but I don't know how they edited it. Was it on a computer? Is that what Raeford does for all tandem customers?

[Brains 2]

Zee probably has some of his stuff from when he was working in San Marcos. They don't edit on a computer but the video's they put out are pretty high quality. Their intro needs to be changed but from what i understand, that is kind of a PITA if he doesn't respond here shoot him a pm.

Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you.

[StevePhelps 0]

I just did one similar to Arville's Munoz tandem video. Looks real good, but it is only 5 minutes long and it took 45 minutes to render using Premiere.

Too short? I'm not sure -- it's got a little prejump, complete FF, landing, slow motion of complete FF and stills to boot. What else should it have?

Too time consuming? I think so -- any suggestions?

[AggieDave 6]

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Too time consuming? I think so -- any suggestions?

Doing tandem videos in Premier is really a total waste of time. In the amount of time it takes you to just render the video you could have dubbed 3-4 videos on a linear board and come out with the same quality.

A titler, VCR, linear board and CD player or MP3 player and you're set.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[StevePhelps 0]

I agree Dave, What type of linear board? I have the titler, and everything else. Presently we simply shoot what we want with straight cut transitions (no fades)

And what is the average cost of one on Ebay?

ADDED: I try to not use VCR -- prefer selling the DVD

[AggieDave 6]

For the absolute life of me I can't remember who makes the boards I'm thinking of...I know the one that my DZ has is fairly old in electronics standards (4 or 5 years), but it still gets the job done very well. I've seen other DZs with the same manufacture's boards but some newer and some older. There are obviously newer and more capable boards available from this manufacture now.

When I get to the DZ tomorrow I'll go look (or if I remember before then) and then post the company name.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[DaGimp 0]

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Is that what Raeford does for all tandem customers?

no at Raeford, we have a liner board, dvd burner and mp3...not even a titler....my videos fully edited for the customer usally run about 7-10 minutes

"Professor of Pimpology"~~~Bolas

[SkymonkeyONE 4]

Like Jake said, we don't even use the titler anymore. I think a good leader is important and we have changed ours around a few times in the past couple of years. Spending some good quality time in Premier to work your leader out is beneficial. You can do any fancy titling you like there. We keep our leader loaded as a file in our DVD burners and just upload our linearly-edited footage as another file then hit "record". It's very quick.

[StevePhelps 0]

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Is that what Raeford does for all tandem customers?

no at Raeford, we have a liner board, dvd burner and mp3...not even a titler....my videos fully edited for the customer usally run about 7-10 minutes

Is this similar to your linear board?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7512921294&category=21169#ebayphotohosting

[FrEaK_aCcIdEnT 0]

i can send umine... its a little over 5 min. long. better yet i can pm u a link to download it from. its 89mb so i hope u have a fast connection lol...

edit: and they had it ready in 10 min. after the jump on to dvd and tape so i dont know how they made it. im not a video wizard.

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DoNt MiNd ThE tYpOs, Im LaZy On CoRrEcTiOnS!

[StevePhelps 0]

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i can send umine... its a little over 5 min. long. better yet i can pm u a link to download it from. its 89mb so i hope u have a fast connection lol...

I have cable -- send away!

[FrEaK_aCcIdEnT 0]

sent
tell me what u think

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[StevePhelps 0]

Looks nice, of course, look who your TM was!
I'm not a big fan of the vidiot's canopy ride down, but hey, it was okay. I think I have what I want to include in the video (similar to Arville's tandem video of Pedro Munoz's daughter) but I need to find a linear editing board that can do the fades and all. I can do it with Premiere, but it takes so long to render, plus the 1.5GB avi file is too big for my computer to edit back to tape.

Thanks for sending me the link and congrats on your first jump!

[FrEaK_aCcIdEnT 0]

yea Amanda (Mandy) was great thanks. ill be jumping again this weekend for my level2 and taking my FJC while im at it. good luck on the video

ExPeCt ThE uNeXpEcTeD!
DoNt MiNd ThE tYpOs, Im LaZy On CoRrEcTiOnS!

[Brains 2]

Steve, San Marcos uses a linear editor, i don't know the brand, but it does some fades etc. also. We have the leader pre loaded and two cd players for music and a dvd burner. Some customers still want vhs so we have a vcr on each station too. Total time 7-10 minutes.

As far as what is in the video: Our vidiots are pretty standard so that several people in a group will have a similar video. Normal progression is; Ground interview, getting suited, harnessed, "What made you want to do this?" "Are you going to go with THIS guy?" etc. Then shot of them walking to plane from front with tm, shot of the "DANGER" sign on the back of the harness. Shot of them boarding the plane. Some of the vidiots shoot some short video of takeoff through the door. About 5-6K "Ok (name) we are half way there are you ready to do this?" etc. maybe a shot of the alti. etc. Exit is normal speed then they hit the slo mo for most of the freefall, until deployment. Videographer then shoots his opening and maybe a clapping hands or thumbs up, maybe a shot of the dz/landing area etc. then off till tandem lands. "Hey you made it, how was that, (girls:) give that guy a hug, (guys:) shake that guys hand, he just saved your life" "Thanks for coming to skydive san marcos" peace sign of shadow on ground, maybe against the sun end.

I am sure some will disagree but that is what we(they) do at my home dz.

Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you.

[StevePhelps 0]

Sounds good! Dave, a Golden Knight, gave me some good ideas that I'm incorporating into our videos. Very similar to what you do.

promo 1:15
prejump stuff - 1:00
plane ride - :15
jump 1:15
still 05
some slo mo 1:45
still :05
landing :45
final still :10
credits :15

___________________________ Total: about 7 minutes

Sure beats what I was doing - promo, prejump, plane ride, jump, landing, slo mo, raw footage and credits -- creating a 12-15 minute video -- way too much!

I can do it on Premiere, but it takes too long to render and I have problems sending back to tape (blue screen) I've tried all the fixes I've found on this forum for this problem. My computer is too small I guess, as nothing helps.

What I need is the Brand name and model of a linear video editor, or someone who know what I need send me a link for something on Ebay.

Thanks all!

[FrEaK_aCcIdEnT 0]

i did mine a Skydive dallas and it was almost exactly like that

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[skydog 2]

Panasonic WJ-AVE 5 or 7

Datavideo SE-200 or SE-500

The panasonic is easy to use but difficult to get hold of. Ebay should be a good place to look.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=21166&item=7522854609&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Quick note about premiere (depending on version) it has real time preview, so no need to render. Just have the camcorder switched onto VCR mode and press play on the timeline and it should play out and be recordable by your camera. (like I said depending on version.)

Bryn

Journey not destination.....

[StevePhelps 0]

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Quick note about premiere (depending on version) it has real time preview, so no need to render. Just have the camcorder switched onto VCR mode and press play on the timeline and it should play out and be recordable by your camera. (like I said depending on version.)

Bryn

Thanks, I have 6.0 -- I wonder will that work with it?

[skydog 2]

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Thanks, I have 6.0 -- I wonder will that work with it?

If memory serves then......no. I think it is 6.5 plus, but give it a go and see what happens.

Saying that though I found the easy way is as described by skymonkeyone.

Lay the trailer on disc and then manual edit the rest. I do all my fades on camera and the final edit is only to lay the music on. Quick and easy.

Bryn

Journey not destination.....

[pcalandra 0]

Steve, if you have the cash try to find an old Panasonic MX-10 or better yet MX-12 video mixer. They were the industrial/pro versions of the WJE5 &7. They have a pretty good synchronizer built in and the technical video quality is good. In laymans terms in won't ruin your video signal. Personally I do all my editing in the camera and have 2 CD players for music with a decent Yamaha audio mixer. If I had some spare cash I'd really try find an MX 12.

The only other thing I would consider putting in my video then is some footage of me shooting a tandem video (5 seconds maybe) because you know it's all about us anyway, right

[stratostar 5]

What I need is the Brand name and model of a linear video editor, or someone who know what I need send me a link for something on Ebay.
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Take a look at the videonics "MX-1 PRO DV" board.
A real time editor with firewire in and out jacks.
Look on ebay. They cost some bucks but will do just what you want in pure dv.

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you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

[weegegirl 2]

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Doing tandem videos in Premier is really a total waste of time. In the amount of time it takes you to just render the video you could have dubbed 3-4 videos on a linear board and come out with the same quality.

I think you are just sloooooooooooooooow. I disagree with your comments on Premiere. I've been using it to edit tandem videos for a few years now. Capture - 3 minutes. Edit - 2 minutes. Render - 2 minutes. And that's TOPS. Plus, I think the quality that I've seen (in general!) is much better than linear. Plus.... you have a lot more creative control.

But hey.... an opinion is an opinion, right?

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[StevePhelps 0]

I like the control I have with Premiere. I'm going to see about upgrading my computer tomorrow -- even if it is just for promos rather than the tandem videos.

I got a great little 6 minute video, but I can't get it off my computer! arrgggh!!!

[AggieDave 6]

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videonics

That's the brand. I was a little late on getting that to you, but had a good day of doing coach jumps so I was busy.


For the comments about premier, I'm glad its working for yall, but I still believe that a linear editing board is quicker, simpler and puts out a quality product. Not only that, but whens the last time tha videonics board got a virus, spyware or just flat out crashed due to the front side bus going out, or the HD shitting its pants, etc? When's the last time a videonics board had to be upgraded every year to keep up with software demands?

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."