Sabre 2, Spectre, Safire 2, Omni and Triathlon with linetwists

[MontyPyhton 0]

Which of theese canopies will bring the most problems when you have to kick the twists out of the lines (loaded 1.1-1.2)??

Is there a generally tendency that requieres a cutaway on one of these canopies?

AND have one of the canopies a generally tendency to twist?

I want to buy a Sabre 2 because I think, it offers the best flare of all these canopies (I am right???).
But I don't want to buy a chute that i have to cut away when it has linetwists.
My major decisions are: Sabre 2, Spectre or Tri

[nacmacfeegle 0]

Any canopy can twist up on you, though none of those listed are notoriously bad for this phenomenon.
The biggest contributor to line twists is uneven loading of risers at deployment due to poor body position, as any packer will tell you. That and shoddy line stows, and d-bag design.

Your ability to kick out line twists depends on a couple of influencing factors. The speed at which you respond to developing line twists, the wing loading, and how much energy you can generate from thrashing around.

My advice? Go with a spectre, I have about 450 jumps on a fairly high loaded (1.5-1.6ish) spectre, and have never experienced any drama from line twists.

If anyone at your home DZ jumps wingsuits, or skysurfs, ask them what canopies they use, its difficult to kick out twists wearing a birdman, or if your feet are strapped to a board.

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[skybytch 273]

I've never had line twists in 150 jumps on Spectre's loaded between 1.0-1.1. I had them once on a Safire loaded about 1.15 - was easy to kick them out, and the canopy flew straight while I was getting rid of them.

Have you jumped any of these yet? Best way to decide which canopy is right for you is to jump each of them a few times before you make up your mind.

[Watcher 0]

Get the sabre2. At that light a wingloading on a conservative canopy it should not be a problem, Not that it couldn't happen, just not probable.

Don't drop shoulder on deployment as that gives unequal tension to risers and creates a turn at deployment.

Keep the eyes level on the horizon though opening. and be very nuetral, relaxed, and even in your harness. This gives me beautiful on heading openings on anything I jump that I packed (normally a velocity), however our last team training camp i had 5 line twist on my velocity on one opening that I got out of, when I got down I gave my rig to the other packer.

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Jonathan Bartlett
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[VectorBoy 0]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the ones that will give you the least problems will be the ones with the lowest aspect ratio's, the tri, spectres and omnis. Now I haven't conducted any tests mind you and higher wing loadings will play a much more important role..... Line trim, of which I know nothing on these particular designs will be a factor.
But as a general rule, Lower aspect ratios (basicly 7 cells vs 9 cells ) will give you less trouble in really bad line twists because you will not have such a radical deformation of your airfoil and planeform causing you to spin your bones up beyond repair.
Now I'm making a generalization here. Here is an exception if you included the Diablo in your survey , yes it is a soft opening 7 cell but by virtue of its line trim balance and radical trailing edge taper, it will spin you up beyond return faster than a higher loaded competion elliptical. Thats what it was designed to do. There are a lot of factors to consider.
I hope this helps. Glen

[Jethers203 0]

Sabre 2 all the way!!!!

I have had experience with all those parachutes except the Omni and Safire 2.

The Triathlon is good for all around use. It isn't that fun for a experinced jumpers. If you want a 7 cell, go for the Spectre. They are great.

The Sabre 2 is excellent in every way. Soft on heading openings and never line twists unless you pack them or your body position sucks. It is really forgiving on packing techniques and is a blast to fly.

If you want a 9 cell, Sabre 2 wins hands down!!!!!

John D-24352

[johnny1488 1]

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I have had experience with all those parachutes except the Omni and Safire 2.-
If you want a 9 cell, Sabre 2 wins hands down!!!!!

Not if you dont have expeirence with the safire2
I've found the safire2 to be better in every way but try them both for yourself.

Johnny
--"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!"
Mike Rome

[Jethers203 0]

Dude, I was just putting my 2 cents in on what I knew. I haven't jumped every chute in the world. 3 out of five ain't bad!!!

John D-24352

[flow 1]

Just my opinion but any canopy will fly straight if twists are even and any canopy will turn if twists are not even. I've had several times line twists on my Hornet 135 loaded at 1.4, and all of them have been flying straight or only resulted in a slight turn.

Then again I had very fast turning/diving line twist on my former Hornet 150 loaded at 1.25 just because the linetwist were very uneven.

From the listed canopies, I think they are all equally safe with the wingloading in question.

[johnny1488 1]

Not trying to jump on you, just saying Icarus deserves a good look. 3 out of five is pretty good though

Johnny
--"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!"
Mike Rome

[sandi 0]

Try and do at least a few jumps on each one before you decide.

Personally, I love my Safire 2. Super soft openings and I've never had line twists on it. At least not so far.