misterhand 0 #1 April 15, 2003 im demoing a sabre 190, hope to ds to a 170 soon. muahaha after my ragged pd210 its like a ferrari by comparison. even at MY pathetic wingload. (155 lbs) every different canopy out there seems to have its own quirks and preferences and hazards, rather than spend 6 weeks trying to hunt it all down i figured i'd go trolling instead. anyone who knows anything about a 190 sabre, please rant here. whats the scoop? reliable? or is it touchy? packing quirks? (what the hell, MY pack job opened....!) good canopy to stick with or is it not known as one of the better canopies out there or what? and whats with the double steering lines? is this thing known for easy openings slammers or somewhere in between? only jump on it so far i didnt slow down all the way from sitfly (intruding into someone else's airspace so dumped quick before blowing past assigned altitude 3000 ft) and it opened with a brisk snap but no real slam. didnt hurt at all which is i suppose the measure of what is a hard opening....my old pd i never HAD a hard opening....long snivels every time. the sabre opened quick. i like it. whip. whap. whoa. tell me more about what im flying please. ????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #2 April 15, 2003 i can only talk for my self. after student status (45jump) i went from my student raven 240 to a saber 170(exit weigth at aprox 180lbs).i had no problem at all,an loved that canopi..i personal think it will be stupied to buy a 190 to ds to a 170 in your case(asuming you normaly fly as good as people at your level). Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #3 April 15, 2003 Quotei personal think it will be stupied to buy a 190 to ds to a 170 in your case(asuming you normaly fly as good as people at your level). It's stupid to fly a conservatively loaded canopy while you're still learning how to fly them? Sorry, gotta disagree with you there. It's smart to fly something that you can land safely anywhere, in any conditions, regardless of your experience level. If you can't say for certain that you can put whatever it is you're flying into a backyard, downwind... you're probably flying something that is too small for the best chance at your own long term survival. misterhand - is the canopy you're demoing a Sabre or a Sabre2? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #4 April 15, 2003 Everytime you downsize and/ or move to a higher performance canopy you'll find that the old canopy you used to love, now seems like a dogsled.Are you jumping the original sabre or the Sabre 2? By reputation, some sabres open harder than others. The Sabre 2 addressed this concern. I like fast opening canopies, too. You should demo every kind of canopy you have the experience for, and buy the one you like best. Ken"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #5 April 15, 2003 Quote It's smart to fly something that you can land safely anywhere, in any conditions, regardless of your experience level Your absolutly rigth.What i tryed to say were that IF the person flyes as an avereged canopipilot at that point of the learning curve,i would mean it would be okay to use the 170(sorry i can see i didnt wrote it as i ment) Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuickDraw 0 #6 April 15, 2003 Also can you tell me whilst i'm here what this is about ? Quote ok so sunday it finally happened, had my first cutaway. was doing a 2-way tracking dive, ended up messing up the exit, so we didnt get very far, broke at 6 because i was demoing a smaller canopy (sabre 190) waveoff and dump at 5. opens perfect. im flying around following behind the girl who i jumped with. did two spirals to catch up to her level, then when i went to overtake her i checked to make sure i was clear all around, then buried the right toggle, about 3/4 of the way into the turn my canopy bucks then stops moving while i keep moving, as soon as i felt myself go weightless for that second or two i knew i was screwed. so i look up and see about 5 line twists about halfway down the risers. then i feel myself start to pickup speed and see the leading edge of the canopy spinning in line with the horizon and me on my back at this point i was at about 2grand, all i thought was, dont waste your fucking time, so i chopped, my rsl fired the reserve, felt the freebag come off my back before i even had my hand on the reserve handle. beatiful reserve opening (pd176) alti check 1500ft looked around saw my main and freebag, setup for my landing, plf'd it freebag was in the middle of the field near the peas, main landed in a tree near the swoop pond. upon landing the first thing i did was let out a loud PHUUUUUCK, cause i just realized that was ANOTHER case, and i had just bought one and a half the day before. AND i had dropped the cutaway handle (those greedy bastids had my name up on the board for owing a case before i even got back to the hangar! im kinda glad i had the cutaway when i did though, because its better that i had it now, so that i know im capable of dealing with it and i wont have to wonder forever. Post by Payback462 btw. I did ask, but it wasn't answered, & is this just physics or something that is commonly known ? Sorry to hijack the thread. -- Hope you don't die. -- I'm fucking winning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jethers203 0 #7 April 16, 2003 Personally, I don't like Sabre's. All my experiences with Sabre's have been unpleasant. I primarily mean the openings, but why should any part of a skydive be unpleasant. What you need is a Sabre 2. They are more forgiving then the original Sabre in every way and they are excellent in performance. Check out PD's website http://www.performancedesigns.com/docs/Sabre2-Flight.pdf and read more about them and for sure try demoing one. They are really great canopies. Just my 13 cents. John D-24352 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clownburner 0 #8 April 16, 2003 Quote Everytime you downsize and/ or move to a higher performance canopy you'll find that the old canopy you used to love, now seems like a dogsled. Actually, i've been on a dogsled, and I can tell you they're pretty exciting. You're playing the 'stay on and ride' game, but the dogs are playing 'crack the whip' and it gets awfully thrilling when you're on a 4-foot-wide fire break in the Canadian Rockies in the middle of winter. Perhaps you should say "Garbage scow" instead. TOPIC>7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misterhand 0 #9 April 16, 2003 its an original sabre 1. ive been very conservative in canopy progression both due to caution and due to circumstances. i'd have downsized sooner but winter jumps were few and far between and winter is hardly a time to be breaking in a new canopy while dealing with -40 environment huge bulky clothing freeze and fog hazards flat glare from winter sky and all-white iffy landings...way too much new shit on any given winter jump as it is. so far ive flown: student: rascal 232. nastiest thing ive flown. guaranteed line twists every time, built in left turn, worn out lineset. yuck. pd 218 7-cell rental. nice. fast descent rate, cushy flare, easy to fly. not much hangtime though. my first own canopy: pd 210 9-cell, 1988. raggedy worn out f-111 with NO flare left in it and thousand foot openings. retired with honors, never chopped. flew nice for a rag and forgave every stupid asymmetrical flare and downwind landing i made. got sick of jarred ankles on landing. on a no-wind day landing it was very tricky. now this 190 sabre. borrowed, not bought. i figure i'll demo this for awhile then buy a 170 and fly that for awhile. the 190 has made a hell of an impression...so far only one jump on it but it beat hell out of the 210. unlike the 210 it surprised me when it dived some on final during the turn, far more than the 210 ever did, what would have been a controlled flat turn on the 210 turned into a hook turn on this thing causing me to think fast level it out ahead of schedule and make a hell of a long turf surf downwind\crosswind landing. i ran it out and made it look GOOOD it set me down so cushy just hit the ground running. although not intentional i think i just executed my first swoop. beer. my god its good to have some flare. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #10 April 16, 2003 Quote my god its good to have some flare. I remember that feeling well! Worth every bit of the packing hassle, isn't it? You're smart to downsize slowly. When you're ready to check out 170's, demo as many different ones as you can before buying. Sabre2, Pilot, Safire2, Spectre, Triathlon... any of these will be fun to fly and responsive at that wingloading but still forgiving enough that you can pull off the odd mistake on approach or landing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #11 April 16, 2003 You're smart to downsize slowly. When you're ready to check out 170's, demo as many different ones as you can before buying. Sabre2, Pilot, Safire2, Spectre, Triathlon... any of these will be fun to fly and responsive at that wingloading but still forgiving enough that you can pull off the odd mistake on approach or landing. And don't forget the crossfire 2, square 1 has dem too. Lisa will you sell me one in the 119 size. I only have 250 jumps but I fly better than I spell. Glen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #12 April 16, 2003 Sometime maybe in the fall or next winter (when I have 300-400 jumps) I would very much like to demo a crossfire2. But it's my understanding that this is not the sort of canopy to be using when people are still learning canopy flight. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #13 April 16, 2003 Quote Sometime maybe in the fall or next winter (when I have 300-400 jumps) I would very much like to demo a crossfire2. But it's my understanding that this is not the sort of canopy to be using when people are still learning canopy flight. You are correct, I was just checking the bunker for nazi flame throwers. All goofing aside the crossfire is for experienced pilots who have a ton of experience and can land elipticals anyplace anytime with no problems. One step under a crossbraced they are. This is a technical forum and I don't want to give out bogus info. Now we return to our regularly scheduled educational program. Glen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
